"Health panel urges interventions for children and teens with high BMI"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before you jump to medication and if your child is interested, find a dietitian to evaluate her. They will want her to keep a food log and that will probably highlight the high caloric food choices or serving size.

We have actually seen a nutritionist and she did not want a young teen logging her food.

As for the PP and calories in/calories out - for sure she eats too much. She’s hungry all the time and can’t stop herself. Thus the jump to medication.

Here is an unpleasant fact about adipose cells, once you have become obese they stop storing more fat inside and divide, sending out more hungry hormones (they don't know there are too many of them). You have to starve them to death and you cannot do that without some degree of hunger, and you will be prone to regain the wait for years until the excess adipose cells die off

[Anonymous]

The not logging food thing is not helpful. Get a different nutritionist. I got similar bad advice while pregnant, afterwords came across clinical trials saying calorie counting manages weight gain with no ill effect to baby

[Anonymous]

Why doesn't the nutritionist want your child to log calories?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't the nutritionist want your child to log calories?

Pure guess here. Maybe the nutritionist doesn't want OP's DD to get hung up on food control to a calorie level. That's a lot for a teen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I promise you that if you do a deep dive into what she’s actually eating and accurately look at the calories in vs calories out, it’d be very apparent why she’s overweight.

It doesn’t have to be junk, a lot of it is portion size or mindlessly eating “healthy” snacks.

I was a kid like that. It was compulsive eating. Bread, cereal, cooking up some oatmeal for myself, healthy stuff eaten compulsively. Plus stuff I bought after school and sneakily ate.

As a result even after losing massive amounts of weight, it is very hard to maintain the weight. Empty fat cells fill easily and I have lots and lots of them.

An intervention would have made the last 45 years easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't the nutritionist want your child to log calories?

Pure guess here. Maybe the nutritionist doesn't want OP's DD to get hung up on food control to a calorie level. That's a lot for a teen.

But that's the reason (barring some medical issue or a medication that causes weight gain) the teen is overweight.

My students are often overweight coming into kindergarten. That used to be unusual 20 yrs ago when I started teaching. By 6th grade, I'd say 3/4 of them are overweight. Judging by the crap they bring to school, it's simple math. All high calorie but low nutrition foods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before you jump to medication and if your child is interested, find a dietitian to evaluate her. They will want her to keep a food log and that will probably highlight the high caloric food choices or serving size.

We have actually seen a nutritionist and she did not want a young teen logging her food.

As for the PP and calories in/calories out - for sure she eats too much. She’s hungry all the time and can’t stop herself. Thus the jump to medication.

Here is an unpleasant fact about adipose cells, once you have become obese they stop storing more fat inside and divide, sending out more hungry hormones (they don't know there are too many of them). You have to starve them to death and you cannot do that without some degree of hunger, and you will be prone to regain the wait for years until the excess adipose cells die off

How many years does it take for them to die?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't the nutritionist want your child to log calories?

Pure guess here. Maybe the nutritionist doesn't want OP's DD to get hung up on food control to a calorie level. That's a lot for a teen.

But that's the reason (barring some medical issue or a medication that causes weight gain) the teen is overweight.

My students are often overweight coming into kindergarten. That used to be unusual 20 yrs ago when I started teaching. By 6th grade, I'd say 3/4 of them are overweight. Judging by the crap they bring to school, it's simple math. All high calorie but low nutrition foods.

This is actually really scary and I am deeply disturbed society isn't alarmed by this. The long term health implications are a disaster. I am social/fiscal conservative but I absolutely would support a seed oil/added sugar tax in a heartbeat. And a steep one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before you jump to medication and if your child is interested, find a dietitian to evaluate her. They will want her to keep a food log and that will probably highlight the high caloric food choices or serving size.

We have actually seen a nutritionist and she did not want a young teen logging her food.

As for the PP and calories in/calories out - for sure she eats too much. She’s hungry all the time and can’t stop herself. Thus the jump to medication.

Here is an unpleasant fact about adipose cells, once you have become obese they stop storing more fat inside and divide, sending out more hungry hormones (they don't know there are too many of them). You have to starve them to death and you cannot do that without some degree of hunger, and you will be prone to regain the wait for years until the excess adipose cells die off

How many years does it take for them to die?

From memory 7 years for them all do die off, so 3.5 years half of them will be gone

It is so much better to not get fat in the first place

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:everyone, its the seed oils in EVERYTHING, i really mean this.

you might be teaching portion control, no sodas/chips, watching calories in and calories out, but if you/your child is getting most their food highly processed or boxed or prepared veggies with low fat ranch, chances are it is saturated with canola/soy/palm/seed oils that is contributing to the weight gain. if you give your child goldfish, veggie crackers, nutra-grain bars, granola bars, pretzels, all of this has seed oil in it.

its the seed oils in literally everything that are making everyone sick.


https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic

Seed oils aren’t even close to being in everything. Unless you eat exclusively from the inner aisles at the grocery store. There are plenty of food options, even affordable ones, that do not contain seed oils. This has always been the case even before “seed oils” became the new bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everyone, its the seed oils in EVERYTHING, i really mean this.

you might be teaching portion control, no sodas/chips, watching calories in and calories out, but if you/your child is getting most their food highly processed or boxed or prepared veggies with low fat ranch, chances are it is saturated with canola/soy/palm/seed oils that is contributing to the weight gain. if you give your child goldfish, veggie crackers, nutra-grain bars, granola bars, pretzels, all of this has seed oil in it.

its the seed oils in literally everything that are making everyone sick.


https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic

Seed oils aren’t even close to being in everything. Unless you eat exclusively from the inner aisles at the grocery store. There are plenty of food options, even affordable ones, that do not contain seed oils. This has always been the case even before “seed oils” became the new bad thing.

Virtually all convenience shelf stable foods have seed oils, goldfish, crackers, cookies, chips. The only thing that doesn't are pretzels. Yogurt tubes have sugar. My husband keeps buying added sugar yogurt when I tell him not to. You have to eat a pretty different diet from the typical american to avoid sugar and seed oils. Social events are drowning in sugar and seed oils. My son was at a math competition practice and ate an adult sized muffin and donut. If you tried to serve a fruit salad and charcuterie board to kids half of them wouldn't touch anything and 100% of the parents would think you are crazy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everyone, its the seed oils in EVERYTHING, i really mean this.

you might be teaching portion control, no sodas/chips, watching calories in and calories out, but if you/your child is getting most their food highly processed or boxed or prepared veggies with low fat ranch, chances are it is saturated with canola/soy/palm/seed oils that is contributing to the weight gain. if you give your child goldfish, veggie crackers, nutra-grain bars, granola bars, pretzels, all of this has seed oil in it.

its the seed oils in literally everything that are making everyone sick.


https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic

Seed oils aren’t even close to being in everything. Unless you eat exclusively from the inner aisles at the grocery store. There are plenty of food options, even affordable ones, that do not contain seed oils. This has always been the case even before “seed oils” became the new bad thing.

NP they aren’t in everything but it is worth always looking at ingredients even when you think it’s a healthy choice. For example, lots of brands of hummus have seed oils in them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't the nutritionist want your child to log calories?

Pure guess here. Maybe the nutritionist doesn't want OP's DD to get hung up on food control to a calorie level. That's a lot for a teen.

But that's the reason (barring some medical issue or a medication that causes weight gain) the teen is overweight.

My students are often overweight coming into kindergarten. That used to be unusual 20 yrs ago when I started teaching. By 6th grade, I'd say 3/4 of them are overweight. Judging by the crap they bring to school, it's simple math. All high calorie but low nutrition foods.

This is actually really scary and I am deeply disturbed society isn't alarmed by this. The long term health implications are a disaster. I am social/fiscal conservative but I absolutely would support a seed oil/added sugar tax in a heartbeat. And a steep one.

We’re not supposed to be alarmed by this because we are supposed to be “body positive” and pretend that things like Type II diabetes, heart disease, joint problems, etc. are all things that can randomly occur in any person with equal likelihood whether they are obese or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everyone, its the seed oils in EVERYTHING, i really mean this.

you might be teaching portion control, no sodas/chips, watching calories in and calories out, but if you/your child is getting most their food highly processed or boxed or prepared veggies with low fat ranch, chances are it is saturated with canola/soy/palm/seed oils that is contributing to the weight gain. if you give your child goldfish, veggie crackers, nutra-grain bars, granola bars, pretzels, all of this has seed oil in it.

its the seed oils in literally everything that are making everyone sick.


https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic

Seed oils aren’t even close to being in everything. Unless you eat exclusively from the inner aisles at the grocery store. There are plenty of food options, even affordable ones, that do not contain seed oils. This has always been the case even before “seed oils” became the new bad thing.

NP they aren’t in everything but it is worth always looking at ingredients even when you think it’s a healthy choice. For example, lots of brands of hummus have seed oils in them.

Curious if I eat a whole food based diet most of the time, am I going to be negatively affected by the occasional seed-oil tainted hummus? Or is it a matter of quantity and frequency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't the nutritionist want your child to log calories?

Pure guess here. Maybe the nutritionist doesn't want OP's DD to get hung up on food control to a calorie level. That's a lot for a teen.

But that's the reason (barring some medical issue or a medication that causes weight gain) the teen is overweight.

My students are often overweight coming into kindergarten. That used to be unusual 20 yrs ago when I started teaching. By 6th grade, I'd say 3/4 of them are overweight. Judging by the crap they bring to school, it's simple math. All high calorie but low nutrition foods.

This is actually really scary and I am deeply disturbed society isn't alarmed by this. The long term health implications are a disaster. I am social/fiscal conservative but I absolutely would support a seed oil/added sugar tax in a heartbeat. And a steep one.

We’re not supposed to be alarmed by this because we are supposed to be “body positive” and pretend that things like Type II diabetes, heart disease, joint problems, etc. are all things that can randomly occur in any person with equal likelihood whether they are obese or not.

I know you're being sarcastic, but here is a story time. When I did my internal medicine rotation about 10 years ago a 16 year old teen came in to the ER with a raging yeast infection. Turns out she had type II diabetes with blood sugars so out of control they had to admit her to the ICU for insulin drip (has to be monitored frequently so not safe to admit to the general ward). I wonder if she ever got pregnant and if she did, how it went. Wouldn't be surprised if she was sterilized or subfertile from PCOS