Red/Yellow Card for Youth Players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of non-soccer people

OMG are you the dad I overheard telling his violently-fouling kid after the second penalty kick “next time take them down OUTSIDE the box”?

another non-soccer person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of non-soccer people

I can only assume that you are suggesting that anyone who doesn't want to see violent conduct from 10 year-olds is a "non-soccer" person... but, I am a soccer person. Have played for 29 years... I am all for slide tackling. I am not for some of the ridiculously violent and dirty conduct I have already witnessed at the U10B level. Violent U10 players will become violent teenagers, and their dirty play will then prematurely end the playing days for some poor kids. You can play physically, you can play tough, and you can do it without being an ass. Like any other fundamental element of the game, proper tackling and sportsmanship should be taught from the beginning. Inevitably, coaches will fail to police their own players as they have a stake in ignoring such conduct at times. Parents and coaches are also, at times, the problem, as they are the ones teaching the children to play that way. That leaves referees. The incentives are fixed and aligned to discourage this type of behavior if the referees appropriately penalize those who engage in it.

Clearly did not play at any level that was meaningfully different from rec those 29 years

Hahaha, people like you amuse me. It's also clear how you're raising your child to play. For the record, I played D1 in the Big East, before it split and many teams left for the ACC.

Whatever the level of play... there are people who try to play the sport by mastering the various fundamental skills and adding in their own elements of flair where they can. Then there are those who try to beat everyone in to submission through brute force because they lack the skills necessary to make it any other way. I, like most who have played for any length of time, have played with both. Most love to play both against and with those with skill. Most are okay with the brutes when they're on your own team (except for when they cost you games with stupid fouls and/or red cards), but hate playing against them since you can't actually play football with them around. Football is most beautiful when it's fluid and a competition of skill and athletic ability, rather than a battle of attrition to see who can hit the hardest. It gets ugly, slow, and messy, when ruined by thugs who are most happy trying to snap an opponent's leg.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of non-soccer people

OMG are you the dad I overheard telling his violently-fouling kid after the second penalty kick “next time take them down OUTSIDE the box”?

another non-soccer person

I wish your kid was a non-soccer person.

[Anonymous]

Are we talking Violent Conduct or Serious Foul Play here?

[Anonymous]

My 10 year old was red carded for a tackle as last defender. It does happen. Ref dependent. Become a ref!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 10 year old was red carded for a tackle as last defender. It does happen. Ref dependent. Become a ref!!

I don't think he was red carded for a tackle. I have a hunch he was red carded for the foul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing that pisses me off is the excessive sliding tackle that starts at u10. Players on the ground left and right,.parents cheering, ankles at risk.. horrible. Refs usually not experienced enough to deal with. Some coaches think is cool.

So you've played against Dave Atkinson too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When do the leagues that travel clubs play in around the DMV start to more consistently issue red and yellow cards to players for violent conduct?

While I certainly understand a particular level of forgiveness at the younger ages, it seems there are certain players even in the U10 top teams in the area who do things on the field that flat-out deserve cards, including at times, red cards. I have seen a child wrap arms around an opposing player and throw them to the ground, then once on the ground, fully swing to smack the player. Still, no red card... not even a yellow. At what point does this behavior stop being ignored?

There are other examples, like when a player on the opposing team is onsides and through on goal, before the last defender catches up from behind and literally jumps on the players back, wrapping their arms around the player and dragging them down to the ground. Still, no red card (not even a yellow in that instance). It seems this type of play will only continue (and potentially get worse) unless there are greater penalties for such behavior.

I don’t believe for a second that either of your examples are accurate, but in general, at younger ages, the coaches should be dealing with this, not the refs.

Frankly, whether or not you believe it matters little to me. I have the Veo recordings to prove it, haha. While I understand the instinct behind thinking that coaches should handle this, lets face it... many will not. Particularly when the offending player is a good player that they want to have on the field so they can win. Also considering that in our pay-to-play system, and with parents that are all-too-willing to complain about their little angel being benched for bad behavior, few coaches have the stomach to deal with the players that do these things. Therefore, who but the refs can do it?

Cool, let's see the plays!

[Anonymous]

I guarentee that every person complaining on here that the ref doesn't give out enough cards, are the same parents yelling "let them play!" when their kid gets called for a foul or gets carded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When do the leagues that travel clubs play in around the DMV start to more consistently issue red and yellow cards to players for violent conduct?

And when will parents accept that there is a massive ref shortage, and that the refs you get at the lower levels tend to be inexperienced or poor, and will make as many mistakes as the youth players will?
If there is a serious problem with a ref or their calls, the coach shold be dealing with it.
Some leagues, like MSI, don't even allow refs to give out cards at young ages...coaches are expected to deal with any card-worthy behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When do the leagues that travel clubs play in around the DMV start to more consistently issue red and yellow cards to players for violent conduct?

While I certainly understand a particular level of forgiveness at the younger ages, it seems there are certain players even in the U10 top teams in the area who do things on the field that flat-out deserve cards, including at times, red cards. I have seen a child wrap arms around an opposing player and throw them to the ground, then once on the ground, fully swing to smack the player. Still, no red card... not even a yellow. At what point does this behavior stop being ignored?

There are other examples, like when a player on the opposing team is onsides and through on goal, before the last defender catches up from behind and literally jumps on the players back, wrapping their arms around the player and dragging them down to the ground. Still, no red card (not even a yellow in that instance). It seems this type of play will only continue (and potentially get worse) unless there are greater penalties for such behavior.

Sounds like you had a game against SYC ...

[Anonymous]

We had a kid out of control on our team and the ref came over to the coach and told him "take her out of the game and do not put her back in". Meaning that she would get a red card if she was put back in. This was a while back in 9v9. I thought it was nicely handled. She was fouled pretty badly in the beginning of the game and was not playing soccer after that

[Anonymous]

Most disappointing red card I saw was at a u10 game when a keeper accidentally ran out of the box and picked up the ball. It might have prevented a goal scoring opportunity but a red card was not the right solution to that mistake (and the ensuing free kick resulted in a goal). Thank goodness the coaches talked the ref down and changed it to a yellow (shouldn't have been a card in my view at all, but yellow is better than red for this scenario). Poor keeper was in tears since they didn't even realize what they had done that was so terrible.

But the players who intentionally try to hurt other kids at u10 and below, that really gets me.. I rarely see a card for type of play. Even more so on the girls side as the refs seem to think that no u9 or u10 kid could intentionally try to hurt someone else, even twice in the same game.

Only predictable and appropriate red cards I've seen at the younger ages are when players retaliate after the foul was called. We have one player on our team that has ~4 red cards just from after the play red cards. Those are so easy for a ref to call

[Anonymous]

Just had a game today U10 9v9
Girls are nasty and very physical pushing left and right, The Ref did nothing about it.

[Anonymous]

Are slide tackles legal in your U10 league?!