FVU vs SYC-2 or ASA 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FVU. Avoid Alexandria’s second teams at l cost.

Why?

Because they are treated like second class citizens. They don’t practice with the top team, get the bad coaches, don’t play up- it is the worst I have ever seen. And Alexandria players who are on the top team stay there for eternity so even when others are better- they never lose their top team spot.

Why would coaches/clubs not want their top team to have the best players from their available pool?

That's irrational and illogical from every angle.

They must be the only coaches/club without egos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FVU. Avoid Alexandria’s second teams at l cost.

Why?

Because they are treated like second class citizens. They don’t practice with the top team, get the bad coaches, don’t play up- it is the worst I have ever seen. And Alexandria players who are on the top team stay there for eternity so even when others are better- they never lose their top team spot.

hmmm. I don't know anything specific to this age group, but it isn't totally true of the age groups I'm familiar with. MLSN allows 4 players, or maybe even more, to be designated as "futures" so they can be dual rostered. They play and train with the first and second team, but I think train mostly with the top team. In our age group they regularly play matches with the MLS Next team, but there's a cap on how many. I know at least one kid was permanently rostered with the top team after starting as a "future.". My son's team also regularly scrimmages with the second team on days when practices overlap. Would you expect them to train together always? Shouldn't the club put their best coaches on the highest level teams?

No!
The best coaches should be with the kids who need the most development

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FVU. Avoid Alexandria’s second teams at l cost.

Why?

Because they are treated like second class citizens. They don’t practice with the top team, get the bad coaches, don’t play up- it is the worst I have ever seen. And Alexandria players who are on the top team stay there for eternity so even when others are better- they never lose their top team spot.

hmmm. I don't know anything specific to this age group, but it isn't totally true of the age groups I'm familiar with. MLSN allows 4 players, or maybe even more, to be designated as "futures" so they can be dual rostered. They play and train with the first and second team, but I think train mostly with the top team. In our age group they regularly play matches with the MLS Next team, but there's a cap on how many. I know at least one kid was permanently rostered with the top team after starting as a "future.". My son's team also regularly scrimmages with the second team on days when practices overlap. Would you expect them to train together always? Shouldn't the club put their best coaches on the highest level teams?

No!
The best coaches should be with the kids who need the most development

Interesting. I don't think the club owes more development to the kids who aren't at the top level. The top level kids need to continue to develop and play against higher level competition. It's up to those kids to raise their level not the clubs responsibility to try to develop every player to the top team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FVU. Avoid Alexandria’s second teams at l cost.

Why?

Because they are treated like second class citizens. They don’t practice with the top team, get the bad coaches, don’t play up- it is the worst I have ever seen. And Alexandria players who are on the top team stay there for eternity so even when others are better- they never lose their top team spot.

hmmm. I don't know anything specific to this age group, but it isn't totally true of the age groups I'm familiar with. MLSN allows 4 players, or maybe even more, to be designated as "futures" so they can be dual rostered. They play and train with the first and second team, but I think train mostly with the top team. In our age group they regularly play matches with the MLS Next team, but there's a cap on how many. I know at least one kid was permanently rostered with the top team after starting as a "future.". My son's team also regularly scrimmages with the second team on days when practices overlap. Would you expect them to train together always? Shouldn't the club put their best coaches on the highest level teams?

No!
The best coaches should be with the kids who need the most development

Interesting. I don't think the club owes more development to the kids who aren't at the top level. The top level kids need to continue to develop and play against higher level competition. It's up to those kids to raise their level not the clubs responsibility to try to develop every player to the top team.

Applies to everyone. Including so-called top level.

Don't have a youth club if development isn't your 1st, 2nd and 3rd priority.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

[Anonymous]

And I see you Mr. or Ms. I always bold the part of message I'm disputing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

You mean the coach who wants to win for ego and ladder climbing sake wants to coach the top level team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

You mean the coach who wants to win for ego and ladder climbing sake wants to coach the top level team.

Right. Yes. It's a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FVU. Avoid Alexandria’s second teams at l cost.

Why?

Because they are treated like second class citizens. They don’t practice with the top team, get the bad coaches, don’t play up- it is the worst I have ever seen. And Alexandria players who are on the top team stay there for eternity so even when others are better- they never lose their top team spot.

Why would coaches/clubs not want their top team to have the best players from their available pool?

That's irrational and illogical from every angle.

They must be the only coaches/club without egos.

Its a business. They want to maximize the number of teams and number of paying customers. They don't really care if Larlo on Team 3 is just as good as Larlden on Team 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

You mean the coach who wants to win for ego and ladder climbing sake wants to coach the top level team.

Right. Yes. It's a job.

Development of players as a Youth Coach isn't a job/career?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one was to choose between FVU vs SYC 2nd team or ASA 2nd team at U13.

FVU - ECNL National
SYC/ASA - National Academy League

Any thoughts?

Have to choose an ECNL team (FVU) over SYC and Alexandria second teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

You mean the coach who wants to win for ego and ladder climbing sake wants to coach the top level team.

Right. Yes. It's a job.

Development of players as a Youth Coach isn't a job/career?

Sure it is. One that includes the desire to move up, or as you called it, ladder climbing. How do you think coaches should be measured? What sorts of promotions should they look for? Technical director, maybe? What do they point to to get those jobs? What sorts of metrics would they use to get a raise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one was to choose between FVU vs SYC 2nd team or ASA 2nd team at U13.

FVU - ECNL National
SYC/ASA - National Academy League

Any thoughts?

Hard to say what’s the better choice.

In one hand you have a 2nd team, but in a club that has been established and is doing well in the MLSN league. Which could lead to a potential movement to the 1st team, assuming the club gives priority to kids within their club, but from reading previous comments it doesn’t look like much movement happens between the 1st and 2nd teams in the 2011 or 2012s, which is is kind of surprising… but I have seen a number of kids from the outside getting offers straight to the top team at ASA, so I could believe some of that is true and you might have a better chance to get to the top team from the outside.

On the other hand you have a 1st team playing in ECNL, BUT in club that’s brand new, and might not have the best talent, but it’s at least a 1st team ECNL. It’s a gamble unless you know this team will be full of talent, but in my experience brand new clubs (e.g. BRAVE) are not all that good in their first year because some parents don’t want to take that chance, but it could be that with the merger of 3 clubs they might be good.

Only the ones with personal experience within this age group (2011s and ‘12s) at ASA would be able to confirm if getting in the 2nd team would a “foot in the door” for the 1st team at mid or next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

You mean the coach who wants to win for ego and ladder climbing sake wants to coach the top level team.

Right. Yes. It's a job.

Development of players as a Youth Coach isn't a job/career?

Sure it is. One that includes the desire to move up, or as you called it, ladder climbing. How do you think coaches should be measured? What sorts of promotions should they look for? Technical director, maybe? What do they point to to get those jobs? What sorts of metrics would they use to get a raise?

In real youth coaching, you show you can take the bad-news-bears and make them into better players/team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible for a club to have the same level of coach, in effectiveness and experience, for every team in their club. Choices have to be made in the assignments. And often the coaches themselves choose what clubs and teams they lead. An experienced and effective coach will want to coach the top level teams.

You mean the coach who wants to win for ego and ladder climbing sake wants to coach the top level team.

Oh. I haven't seen that in a technical director's bio, but I'm sure you're right. You're definitely sure you're right.

Right. Yes. It's a job.

Development of players as a Youth Coach isn't a job/career?

Sure it is. One that includes the desire to move up, or as you called it, ladder climbing. How do you think coaches should be measured? What sorts of promotions should they look for? Technical director, maybe? What do they point to to get those jobs? What sorts of metrics would they use to get a raise?

In real youth coaching, you show you can take the bad-news-bears and make them into better players/team