MCPS vs PGCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. MCPS is too concerned about “closing the gap” to be concerned with accountability. The gap will never be closed if students know there are not consequences for fighting, missed assignments, skipping classes and blaming all misbehavior on racial inequity. As a current MCPS teacher (who is also a woman and minority), I’ve seen first hand the disservice MCPS has shown ALL students by refusing to remediate the foundational skill gap present for so many of our students (only offering honors english for 9th and 10th grade students is just one example) combined with the lottery system for magnet school selection (watering down the accelerated / advanced course material). Sad to say but MCPS is no longer the gold standard it once was in the past.

And don't even get me started on the dumb teachers.

I have taught in PGCPS and MCPS. PGCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful MCPS parents."

And I suppose MCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful PGCPS kids." But no, they're kinder than that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/glenarden-woods-elementary-school-takes-top-spot-in-mcap-assessment-for-performance/65-a159c358-c3ef-4939-99e8-b64de600ae2f I know many posters are often dismissive of MCAP scores, but they do provide a baseline for student achievement across the state. 90% of Glenarden’s students are children of color and 40% are economically disadvantaged. PGCPS has its faults, but they do many things differently from MCPS and those choices are starting noticeably to pay off. Rather than push “honors for all” in the name of equity, they offer rigorous programs for their gifted students. I was curious so I looked up the PGCPS student code of conduct and compared it to MCPS. There seemed to be much higher expectations for student conduct in PGCPS. For example, if an MCPS student is caught with alcohol or drugs, they will receive a “ restorative practice,” if it is their first offense. In PGCPS, students receive a short term suspension and mandatory counseling from the alternative to drugs and alcohol program. Is there any push in MCPS to adopt some of the policies that are used in PGCPS?

Balderdash.
This is one elementary school, and honors for all has nothing to do with elementary school anyway.
MoCo has far far higher gifted performance.

“Far far higher” based on what?Your opinion? Literally Glenarden out scored EVERY school in the state…including every MoCo school.

For the first time ever, an elementary school in Prince George’s County is taking the top spot on the state’s Maryland Comprehensive Assessment Program (MCAP ) assessment for performance. The build a pathway to college and career readiness by the end of high school.

For the first time ever and you'll blowing horns?? on MCAP too!
The MCPS hate and envy is really strong in DCUM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. MCPS is too concerned about “closing the gap” to be concerned with accountability. The gap will never be closed if students know there are not consequences for fighting, missed assignments, skipping classes and blaming all misbehavior on racial inequity. As a current MCPS teacher (who is also a woman and minority), I’ve seen first hand the disservice MCPS has shown ALL students by refusing to remediate the foundational skill gap present for so many of our students (only offering honors english for 9th and 10th grade students is just one example) combined with the lottery system for magnet school selection (watering down the accelerated / advanced course material). Sad to say but MCPS is no longer the gold standard it once was in the past.

And don't even get me started on the dumb teachers.

I have taught in PGCPS and MCPS. PGCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful MCPS parents."

And I suppose MCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful PGCPS kids." But no, they're kinder than that.

No. As a MCPS teacher, we would never say such words. That's MCPS parents thinking as you just demonstrated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/glenarden-woods-elementary-school-takes-top-spot-in-mcap-assessment-for-performance/65-a159c358-c3ef-4939-99e8-b64de600ae2f I know many posters are often dismissive of MCAP scores, but they do provide a baseline for student achievement across the state. 90% of Glenarden’s students are children of color and 40% are economically disadvantaged. PGCPS has its faults, but they do many things differently from MCPS and those choices are starting noticeably to pay off. Rather than push “honors for all” in the name of equity, they offer rigorous programs for their gifted students. I was curious so I looked up the PGCPS student code of conduct and compared it to MCPS. There seemed to be much higher expectations for student conduct in PGCPS. For example, if an MCPS student is caught with alcohol or drugs, they will receive a “ restorative practice,” if it is their first offense. In PGCPS, students receive a short term suspension and mandatory counseling from the alternative to drugs and alcohol program. Is there any push in MCPS to adopt some of the policies that are used in PGCPS?

Balderdash.
This is one elementary school, and honors for all has nothing to do with elementary school anyway.
MoCo has far far higher gifted performance.

“Far far higher” based on what?Your opinion? Literally Glenarden out scored EVERY school in the state…including every MoCo school.

Based on facts and data.

Ask someone literate and numerate to read and explain the article to you.

> Glenarden Woods is a TAG center, which means every single student who attends has been identified as talented and gifted

They cherrypicked the best students in the region, who already had high scores, and put them all in one school. Of course that school will have above average scores!
Yet the results are still mediocre, with 5% scoring in Tier 4.
The students in gifted programs in MCPS score much higher on MCAP (more students in Tier 4, despite far fewer gifted students in the school), but their scores get averaged in with gen ed and disability special ed students at the same school, so the school overall score are lower, yet still end up only a few percentage points behind the gifted-only school in PG.

This article an example of lying with statistics, and people like you fell for it, or worse, you used it to prop up your narrative instead of seeking truth.

I'm embarrassed for you and OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're in MCPS but have lots of friends in PGCPS. There doesn't seem to be much difference at all in terms of anything anyone here has mentioned; we're all generally happy with our schools.

No one on this thread cares about PG. They are just grasping at straws to try to attack MCPS.

It's great to see PG showing some improvement at one school. The children of PG still need a LOT more help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. MCPS is too concerned about “closing the gap” to be concerned with accountability. The gap will never be closed if students know there are not consequences for fighting, missed assignments, skipping classes and blaming all misbehavior on racial inequity. As a current MCPS teacher (who is also a woman and minority), I’ve seen first hand the disservice MCPS has shown ALL students by refusing to remediate the foundational skill gap present for so many of our students (only offering honors english for 9th and 10th grade students is just one example) combined with the lottery system for magnet school selection (watering down the accelerated / advanced course material). Sad to say but MCPS is no longer the gold standard it once was in the past.

And don't even get me started on the dumb teachers.

I have taught in PGCPS and MCPS. PGCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful MCPS parents."

And I suppose MCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful PGCPS kids." But no, they're kinder than that.

MCPS parents are a thousand times worse than PGCPS kids.

Most MCPS teachers rock!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you compare the PGCPS and MCPS overall school report card data …it’s pretty similar. I think MCPS earned more points but PGCPS hit more improvement metrics. It is crazy to think about because MCPS has a bigger budget and PGCPS has way more title 1 schools.

MCPS is definitely on the decline but let's be real it's still much better than PGCPS. Now in ten years that might not be the case....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/glenarden-woods-elementary-school-takes-top-spot-in-mcap-assessment-for-performance/65-a159c358-c3ef-4939-99e8-b64de600ae2f I know many posters are often dismissive of MCAP scores, but they do provide a baseline for student achievement across the state. 90% of Glenarden’s students are children of color and 40% are economically disadvantaged. PGCPS has its faults, but they do many things differently from MCPS and those choices are starting noticeably to pay off. Rather than push “honors for all” in the name of equity, they offer rigorous programs for their gifted students. I was curious so I looked up the PGCPS student code of conduct and compared it to MCPS. There seemed to be much higher expectations for student conduct in PGCPS. For example, if an MCPS student is caught with alcohol or drugs, they will receive a “ restorative practice,” if it is their first offense. In PGCPS, students receive a short term suspension and mandatory counseling from the alternative to drugs and alcohol program. Is there any push in MCPS to adopt some of the policies that are used in PGCPS?

MCAP scores may someday provide a baseline, but that's only after the test has all the kinks worked out. Since the state created this new test there have been many issues the least of which the scores aren't a good metric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you compare the PGCPS and MCPS overall school report card data …it’s pretty similar. I think MCPS earned more points but PGCPS hit more improvement metrics. It is crazy to think about because MCPS has a bigger budget and PGCPS has way more title 1 schools.

MCPS is definitely on the decline but let's be real it's still much better than PGCPS. Now in ten years that might not be the case....

LOL yes yes we know

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We're in MCPS but have lots of friends in PGCPS. There doesn't seem to be much difference at all in terms of anything anyone here has mentioned; we're all generally happy with our schools.

No one on this thread cares about PG. They are just grasping at straws to try to attack MCPS.

It's great to see PG showing some improvement at one school. The children of PG still need a LOT more help.

Yep, same old narrative about the decline of civilization, which only they can fix by a return to white nationalism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. MCPS is too concerned about “closing the gap” to be concerned with accountability. The gap will never be closed if students know there are not consequences for fighting, missed assignments, skipping classes and blaming all misbehavior on racial inequity. As a current MCPS teacher (who is also a woman and minority), I’ve seen first hand the disservice MCPS has shown ALL students by refusing to remediate the foundational skill gap present for so many of our students (only offering honors english for 9th and 10th grade students is just one example) combined with the lottery system for magnet school selection (watering down the accelerated / advanced course material). Sad to say but MCPS is no longer the gold standard it once was in the past.

And don't even get me started on the dumb teachers.

I have taught in PGCPS and MCPS. PGCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful MCPS parents."

I'm a PGCPS teacher, and I think this whenever I read these boards!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. MCPS is too concerned about “closing the gap” to be concerned with accountability. The gap will never be closed if students know there are not consequences for fighting, missed assignments, skipping classes and blaming all misbehavior on racial inequity. As a current MCPS teacher (who is also a woman and minority), I’ve seen first hand the disservice MCPS has shown ALL students by refusing to remediate the foundational skill gap present for so many of our students (only offering honors english for 9th and 10th grade students is just one example) combined with the lottery system for magnet school selection (watering down the accelerated / advanced course material). Sad to say but MCPS is no longer the gold standard it once was in the past.

And don't even get me started on the dumb teachers.

I have taught in PGCPS and MCPS. PGCPS teachers always say, "Thank God we don't have those awful MCPS parents."

I'm a PGCPS teacher, and I think this whenever I read these boards!

Thank god most MCPS parents aren't on DCUM, and many who post as "MCPS parents" are just trolls, pretending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/glenarden-woods-elementary-school-takes-top-spot-in-mcap-assessment-for-performance/65-a159c358-c3ef-4939-99e8-b64de600ae2f I know many posters are often dismissive of MCAP scores, but they do provide a baseline for student achievement across the state. 90% of Glenarden’s students are children of color and 40% are economically disadvantaged. PGCPS has its faults, but they do many things differently from MCPS and those choices are starting noticeably to pay off. Rather than push “honors for all” in the name of equity, they offer rigorous programs for their gifted students. I was curious so I looked up the PGCPS student code of conduct and compared it to MCPS. There seemed to be much higher expectations for student conduct in PGCPS. For example, if an MCPS student is caught with alcohol or drugs, they will receive a “ restorative practice,” if it is their first offense. In PGCPS, students receive a short term suspension and mandatory counseling from the alternative to drugs and alcohol program. Is there any push in MCPS to adopt some of the policies that are used in PGCPS?

MCAP scores may someday provide a baseline, but that's only after the test has all the kinks worked out. Since the state created this new test there have been many issues the least of which the scores aren't a good metric.

I keep hearing that the scores are not a good metric, but what exactly does this mean? Is it just that the cut scores for each level at high thus making the test difficult?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/glenarden-woods-elementary-school-takes-top-spot-in-mcap-assessment-for-performance/65-a159c358-c3ef-4939-99e8-b64de600ae2f I know many posters are often dismissive of MCAP scores, but they do provide a baseline for student achievement across the state. 90% of Glenarden’s students are children of color and 40% are economically disadvantaged. PGCPS has its faults, but they do many things differently from MCPS and those choices are starting noticeably to pay off. Rather than push “honors for all” in the name of equity, they offer rigorous programs for their gifted students. I was curious so I looked up the PGCPS student code of conduct and compared it to MCPS. There seemed to be much higher expectations for student conduct in PGCPS. For example, if an MCPS student is caught with alcohol or drugs, they will receive a “ restorative practice,” if it is their first offense. In PGCPS, students receive a short term suspension and mandatory counseling from the alternative to drugs and alcohol program. Is there any push in MCPS to adopt some of the policies that are used in PGCPS?

MCAP scores may someday provide a baseline, but that's only after the test has all the kinks worked out. Since the state created this new test there have been many issues the least of which the scores aren't a good metric.

I keep hearing that the scores are not a good metric, but what exactly does this mean? Is it just that the cut scores for each level at high thus making the test difficult?

Literally the MCAP is the exact same as the PARCC except a bit shorter. You can see released items online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. MCPS is too concerned about “closing the gap” to be concerned with accountability. The gap will never be closed if students know there are not consequences for fighting, missed assignments, skipping classes and blaming all misbehavior on racial inequity. As a current MCPS teacher (who is also a woman and minority), I’ve seen first hand the disservice MCPS has shown ALL students by refusing to remediate the foundational skill gap present for so many of our students (only offering honors english for 9th and 10th grade students is just one example) combined with the lottery system for magnet school selection (watering down the accelerated / advanced course material). Sad to say but MCPS is no longer the gold standard it once was in the past.

And don't even get me started on the dumb teachers.

Please. Tell us how the people teaching your children are dumb. That would be more a reflection on you rather than the teachers.

Not the PP however as my children went through MCPS the teacher quality went down for sure. Change of career teachers are the worst. We had a lawyer for English, sales guy for history and AP Psychology ugh sports broh.... We also had teachers that stayed in the sytem too long.

Mine have had the reverse experience. Older teachers were not great and retired while newer teachers were great. I know the pandemic has made hiring and retaining great teachers harder though. My 2nd is graduating this year, and most of her high school teachers are truly fantastic!