Teacher issue

[Anonymous]

As a teacher I also wonder if the kid is doing something like dropping a completed essay into the google doc, or sharing it as a viewer, or not submitting it to whatever plagiarism/AI detector the school uses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I also wonder if the kid is doing something like dropping a completed essay into the google doc, or sharing it as a viewer, or not submitting it to whatever plagiarism/AI detector the school uses.

I’m the teacher who posted above, checking into see if OP updated. I suspect this is what happened. The OP’s son didn’t share correctly, either on purpose or accidentally. Either way, I would do the same thing as the teacher in OP’s post: the assignment isn’t turned in until I can see its originality.

I doubt the school is protecting the teacher, as OP states. The school simply agrees with the teacher because this is standard practice.

[Anonymous]

Even if the teachers above are correct, an in-person meeting with kid, parent, and teacher will resolve it. Either the kid is unclear on something and should have it clearly demonstrated (and backed up with parents knowing what the problem is and how to turn in properly as well, so they can help), or the kid is BS’ing and such a meeting will uncover that as well, or at least take away the ability to keep deliberately doing it wrong and making parents think it’s the teacher’s fault.

[Anonymous]

OP, there are a lot of tricks students can pull and still “submit” an assignment. One of the most common is that a child will submit a blank document on time. When called on it later, they’ll populate the text. The other is to copy and paste from another source. You can see the document history in Google Drive. If your child is opening the document, staying for fewer than five minutes, and exiting, that is often a sign something hinky is going on.

Regardless, one of the best approaches would be to meet with an admin. Say “I’m seeing completed work that appears to be submitted on time. Tell me more about what you’re seeing and your concerns so that I can better understand what is happening.”

[Anonymous]

Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Yes a meeting makes sense but changing the grade doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

I am saying the student is likely not following procedures that are there for a good reason.

PP seems to think that it’s likely a misunderstanding. I am saying that OP needs to go into the meeting understanding that it might not be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

DP. It doesn’t actually matter. A meeting and demonstration of the correct procedure to both parent and child resolves the issue either way. If the kid is trying to get away with something, they won’t have an excuse anymore (and parent won’t be fooled). If kid actually is doing their best and thinks they are doing the right thing but is missing something (however unlikely you think that scenario is), such a meeting would clear it up for both kid and parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

I am saying the student is likely not following procedures that are there for a good reason.

PP seems to think that it’s likely a misunderstanding. I am saying that OP needs to go into the meeting understanding that it might not be.

No, you said the student is probably cheating and the PP is just not getting it.

[Anonymous]

The school is pressuring your family out of the school.

Take your balls and go home if they are letting the grades slip to a D or below. Then send to public mid year to preserve your DC’s chance to progress through the grade levels on time.

Btdt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

I am saying the student is likely not following procedures that are there for a good reason.

PP seems to think that it’s likely a misunderstanding. I am saying that OP needs to go into the meeting understanding that it might not be.

No, you said the student is probably cheating and the PP is just not getting it.

I’m one of the teachers on this thread (but not the one you are responding to). It is the likely cause of this situation, to be honest. It’s the clearest way to make sense of OP’s post. Which is more likely? That the teacher defiantly isn’t grading something, even though time stamps would show when it was submitted proving the teacher is lying? Or that the student didn’t submit properly in an effort to mask the version history?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

I am saying the student is likely not following procedures that are there for a good reason.

PP seems to think that it’s likely a misunderstanding. I am saying that OP needs to go into the meeting understanding that it might not be.

No, you said the student is probably cheating and the PP is just not getting it.

I’m one of the teachers on this thread (but not the one you are responding to). It is the likely cause of this situation, to be honest. It’s the clearest way to make sense of OP’s post. Which is more likely? That the teacher defiantly isn’t grading something, even though time stamps would show when it was submitted proving the teacher is lying? Or that the student didn’t submit properly in an effort to mask the version history?

I am also a teacher. Once you have submitted a document on Google Classroom, you can't edit it unless you unsubmit and resubmit. So there is no way to submit a blank document and go back to change it without the teacher knowing it. There is no way to mask version history on GC. You also can't edit documents on Canvas after it's submitted. I don't know about other LMSs.

And yes, sometimes teachers lie. During COVID, my daughter's work was consistently marked as "missing" when it was clearly submitted on Google Classroom. I could see that the teacher never even opened the documents. I emailed the teacher to inquire, and then magically, a bunch of comments from the teacher were written on the documents. The teacher replied that the work wasn't actually missing, the problem was that my daughter hadn't revised the work and resumbitted. But of course, the commenting feature on Google Docs is date and timestamped, and her comments were all made AFTER I had emailed her. So we got on Zoom for a meeting, I pulled all the documents up to prove that what she was saying simply wasn't the truth. Her only explanation? "Well, I don't know why those dates are there, I made those comments weeks ago-- you should talk to IT because I don't know why it says that." I said "I don't need to talk to IT, because I can see with my own eyes." In my case, administration backed me up because there was irrefutable proof the teacher was simply trying to cover her own ***. Because I am also a teacher, I know how it works. But sometimes teachers count on the fact that parents don't understand the LMS.

Like I said, I am a teacher, I support teachers. But teachers should also be able to back up their grades with evidence. If they resist doing that, it's a red flag.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

I am saying the student is likely not following procedures that are there for a good reason.

PP seems to think that it’s likely a misunderstanding. I am saying that OP needs to go into the meeting understanding that it might not be.

No, you said the student is probably cheating and the PP is just not getting it.

I’m one of the teachers on this thread (but not the one you are responding to). It is the likely cause of this situation, to be honest. It’s the clearest way to make sense of OP’s post. Which is more likely? That the teacher defiantly isn’t grading something, even though time stamps would show when it was submitted proving the teacher is lying? Or that the student didn’t submit properly in an effort to mask the version history?

Or maybe the student isn’t submitting properly because they don’t understand some minutiae in the procedure rather than willfully trying to cheat. You don’t know this kid or the specifics of any of this. There are three possibilities, not one.