Teacher issue

[Anonymous]

You said your kid emailed the document. Which would explain why the teacher has access even though it wasn’t submitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school is pressuring your family out of the school.

Take your balls and go home if they are letting the grades slip to a D or below. Then send to public mid year to preserve your DC’s chance to progress through the grade levels on time.

Btdt.

Tell me more. Were teachers giving your kid grades lower than your child deserved? Did you go back to private after public?

[Anonymous]

Your kid is probably lying/cheating and the teacher is too circumspect/lacks the evidence to be that direct. Your kid thinks he can get away with it because your instincts are to blame someone else and not examine his actions in detail.

Teachers are to blame for so much. But between parents and teachers it’s hard to find the angel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I also wonder if the kid is doing something like dropping a completed essay into the google doc, or sharing it as a viewer, or not submitting it to whatever plagiarism/AI detector the school uses.

I’m the teacher who posted above, checking into see if OP updated. I suspect this is what happened. The OP’s son didn’t share correctly, either on purpose or accidentally. Either way, I would do the same thing as the teacher in OP’s post: the assignment isn’t turned in until I can see its originality.

I doubt the school is protecting the teacher, as OP states. The school simply agrees with the teacher because this is standard practice.

I’m the OP. In one case, the teacher made comments in the document that my kid submitted. Therefore, I know my kid submitted the document in the appropriate manner. If my kid had not done so, then the teacher would not have reviewed the work. This is the same document that the teacher claims kid never submitted.

We have requested an in-person meeting. My kid is mortified. Kid does not want us involved but we are more than 1/2 way through the year and the situation remains absurd so I have no choice to be involved. I’m sure my
kid is not 100 percent blameless throughout the year, but the situation is just plain weird. Kid does not have issues with any other class when it comes to submitting work.

And, in response to an earlier poster, no, teacher does not appear to like my kid. That’s ok. My kid is super quiet. I’m guessing kid is even more quiet than before due to stained interactions with teacher.

No, making comments in the document does not mean the document was submitted correctly. If your child submitted a copy of the assignment instead of the original, the teacher would be able to comment and edit. The teacher would NOT be able to check the version history, which many teachers require for a valid submission.

I have left comments on docs before, telling students to submit the original copy before I will grade it.

I’m glad you have this meeting. I think it will give the school an opportunity to clear this up with you, and I suspect “version history” might play into that conversation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if OP is overreacting and her DC is not exactly following procedures.....this seems like the time for the teacher to set up a meeting to help both child and parent understand what the missing link is. This will make kid accountable to parent and parent will see that the teacher has outlined everything to both parent/kid.

Are you using not following procedures as a euphemism for cheating, or do you not understand what we teachers are saying is likely going on?

Are you concluding, based on extremely limited information, that a student you do not know is a cheater?

Agree an in-person meeting with OP, student, teacher and an admin is needed to clear this up. OP, stop trying to do this via email and make time for the meeting.

I am saying the student is likely not following procedures that are there for a good reason.

PP seems to think that it’s likely a misunderstanding. I am saying that OP needs to go into the meeting understanding that it might not be.

No, you said the student is probably cheating and the PP is just not getting it.

I’m one of the teachers on this thread (but not the one you are responding to). It is the likely cause of this situation, to be honest. It’s the clearest way to make sense of OP’s post. Which is more likely? That the teacher defiantly isn’t grading something, even though time stamps would show when it was submitted proving the teacher is lying? Or that the student didn’t submit properly in an effort to mask the version history?

I am also a teacher. Once you have submitted a document on Google Classroom, you can't edit it unless you unsubmit and resubmit. So there is no way to submit a blank document and go back to change it without the teacher knowing it. There is no way to mask version history on GC. You also can't edit documents on Canvas after it's submitted. I don't know about other LMSs.

And yes, sometimes teachers lie. During COVID, my daughter's work was consistently marked as "missing" when it was clearly submitted on Google Classroom. I could see that the teacher never even opened the documents. I emailed the teacher to inquire, and then magically, a bunch of comments from the teacher were written on the documents. The teacher replied that the work wasn't actually missing, the problem was that my daughter hadn't revised the work and resumbitted. But of course, the commenting feature on Google Docs is date and timestamped, and her comments were all made AFTER I had emailed her. So we got on Zoom for a meeting, I pulled all the documents up to prove that what she was saying simply wasn't the truth. Her only explanation? "Well, I don't know why those dates are there, I made those comments weeks ago-- you should talk to IT because I don't know why it says that." I said "I don't need to talk to IT, because I can see with my own eyes." In my case, administration backed me up because there was irrefutable proof the teacher was simply trying to cover her own ***. Because I am also a teacher, I know how it works. But sometimes teachers count on the fact that parents don't understand the LMS.

Like I said, I am a teacher, I support teachers. But teachers should also be able to back up their grades with evidence. If they resist doing that, it's a red flag.

I’m the PP. Many private schools, including mine, use a different LMS. Students can submit documents and continue to change them within ours.

I still believe this is the clearest way to understand OP’s story.

What LMS is this?

[Anonymous]

Hmm. That's a tough one. Do we side with the teacher that took a vow of poverty to teach rugrats to be good educated citizens or should we side with this kid over here that still wets their bed and eats their boogers. That's a tough one!

[Anonymous]

OP, good luck with the in person meeting. Hopefully it goes well and you and your son have a better understanding of what he needs to do to “submit” work. The fact that it is so complicated these days is ridiculous. Somehow the teacher having the work and commenting on it doesn’t mean it was submitted?!

[Anonymous]

If it hadn’t been submitted correctly, why wouldn’t teacher have said that on comments. Teachers are not always to blame, but in this case, it seems suspicious. Teachers are human and can be biased.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I also wonder if the kid is doing something like dropping a completed essay into the google doc, or sharing it as a viewer, or not submitting it to whatever plagiarism/AI detector the school uses.

I’m the teacher who posted above, checking into see if OP updated. I suspect this is what happened. The OP’s son didn’t share correctly, either on purpose or accidentally. Either way, I would do the same thing as the teacher in OP’s post: the assignment isn’t turned in until I can see its originality.

I doubt the school is protecting the teacher, as OP states. The school simply agrees with the teacher because this is standard practice.

I’m the OP. In one case, the teacher made comments in the document that my kid submitted. Therefore, I know my kid submitted the document in the appropriate manner. If my kid had not done so, then the teacher would not have reviewed the work. This is the same document that the teacher claims kid never submitted.

We have requested an in-person meeting. My kid is mortified. Kid does not want us involved but we are more than 1/2 way through the year and the situation remains absurd so I have no choice to be involved. I’m sure my
kid is not 100 percent blameless throughout the year, but the situation is just plain weird. Kid does not have issues with any other class when it comes to submitting work.

And, in response to an earlier poster, no, teacher does not appear to like my kid. That’s ok. My kid is super quiet. I’m guessing kid is even more quiet than before due to stained interactions with teacher.

OP, I feel for you and your kid. What grade range is this?

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I also wonder if the kid is doing something like dropping a completed essay into the google doc, or sharing it as a viewer, or not submitting it to whatever plagiarism/AI detector the school uses.

I’m the teacher who posted above, checking into see if OP updated. I suspect this is what happened. The OP’s son didn’t share correctly, either on purpose or accidentally. Either way, I would do the same thing as the teacher in OP’s post: the assignment isn’t turned in until I can see its originality.

I doubt the school is protecting the teacher, as OP states. The school simply agrees with the teacher because this is standard practice.

I’m the OP. In one case, the teacher made comments in the document that my kid submitted. Therefore, I know my kid submitted the document in the appropriate manner. If my kid had not done so, then the teacher would not have reviewed the work. This is the same document that the teacher claims kid never submitted.

We have requested an in-person meeting. My kid is mortified. Kid does not want us involved but we are more than 1/2 way through the year and the situation remains absurd so I have no choice to be involved. I’m sure my
kid is not 100 percent blameless throughout the year, but the situation is just plain weird. Kid does not have issues with any other class when it comes to submitting work.

And, in response to an earlier poster, no, teacher does not appear to like my kid. That’s ok. My kid is super quiet. I’m guessing kid is even more quiet than before due to stained interactions with teacher.

OP, I feel for you and your kid. What grade range is this?

Can you share the outcome? Very curious what ended up happening!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, good luck with the in person meeting. Hopefully it goes well and you and your son have a better understanding of what he needs to do to “submit” work. The fact that it is so complicated these days is ridiculous. Somehow the teacher having the work and commenting on it doesn’t mean it was submitted?!

This has been covered multiple times. If the student submitted the document incorrectly, the teacher can’t see the document’s originality. Students do cheat, and online assignments make cheating even easier. Teachers need to see originality reports or version histories to ensure that the work actually belongs to that student.

It is extremely easy to submit a document the correct way. When students don’t, especially as late as 3rd quarter, it’s very suspicious.

[Anonymous]

OP here. We met in-person with two persons at the school. I'll leave it vague for purposes of anonyminity, but the school personnel was able to confirm (despite prior comments to the contrary) that kid has been submitting the materials in a timely and appropriate manner. In response to one particular issue, the teacher said (more or less), "I wrote the email before I read the document. It must have been stuck in my drafts." The school did not acknowlege any wrongdoing but suggested "IT issues" on their end. Sigh. We have an agreed upon process going forward in an attempt to avoid further "IT issues" (e.g., submitting everything in the same manner, with a copy via email). Advisor to be copied in on all communications. Some other measures that I won't go into. End of the day, my kids aren't perfect; they have missed deadlines and I'm sure at times have bent the truth about timely submissions, but this time truly was not my kid's fault. Fingers crossed going forward. Perhaps it helped that I had not yet signed my re-enrollment contract when we met...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. We met in-person with two persons at the school. I'll leave it vague for purposes of anonyminity, but the school personnel was able to confirm (despite prior comments to the contrary) that kid has been submitting the materials in a timely and appropriate manner. In response to one particular issue, the teacher said (more or less), "I wrote the email before I read the document. It must have been stuck in my drafts." The school did not acknowlege any wrongdoing but suggested "IT issues" on their end. Sigh. We have an agreed upon process going forward in an attempt to avoid further "IT issues" (e.g., submitting everything in the same manner, with a copy via email). Advisor to be copied in on all communications. Some other measures that I won't go into. End of the day, my kids aren't perfect; they have missed deadlines and I'm sure at times have bent the truth about timely submissions, but this time truly was not my kid's fault. Fingers crossed going forward. Perhaps it helped that I had not yet signed my re-enrollment contract when we met...

That sounds like the teacher dropped the ball, which happens.
Glad your meeting solved the issue!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. We met in-person with two persons at the school. I'll leave it vague for purposes of anonyminity, but the school personnel was able to confirm (despite prior comments to the contrary) that kid has been submitting the materials in a timely and appropriate manner. In response to one particular issue, the teacher said (more or less), "I wrote the email before I read the document. It must have been stuck in my drafts." The school did not acknowlege any wrongdoing but suggested "IT issues" on their end. Sigh. We have an agreed upon process going forward in an attempt to avoid further "IT issues" (e.g., submitting everything in the same manner, with a copy via email). Advisor to be copied in on all communications. Some other measures that I won't go into. End of the day, my kids aren't perfect; they have missed deadlines and I'm sure at times have bent the truth about timely submissions, but this time truly was not my kid's fault. Fingers crossed going forward. Perhaps it helped that I had not yet signed my re-enrollment contract when we met...

It’s a good thing you went in. Honestly, this doesn’t sound nearly as bad as your first post made it sound. This doesn’t sound like “lunacy” or that they are “protecting the teacher at all costs.”

You’ve mentioned several times on this thread that your child isn’t perfect, which suggests there have been issues in the past. Since your child has clearly received grace, maybe it’s time to give grace to a teacher who may have made a small mistake.

[Anonymous]

Glad you met in person and teacher knows you are paying attention. I’ve had 2 kids targeted by teachers pulling this kind of stuff - it’s infuriating. And school obviously is aware this happens, given agreed upon solutions. Keep paying attention.