Fox 5 Is MCPS Still a Premier School District

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

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DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

You are just repeating right wingers and private schools parents talking points. I doubt you live here much less having kids in MCPS.
MCPS AP passing rate is over 70% and IB is over 80%. Black kids in MCPS do better in AP than almost anywhere else.
20 MCPS H.S. made the AP honor roll.
All the other things you mentioned happen at every school district in the nation.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

You are just repeating right wingers and private schools parents talking points. I doubt you live here much less having kids in MCPS.
MCPS AP passing rate is over 70% and IB is over 80%. Black kids in MCPS do better in AP than almost anywhere else.
20 MCPS H.S. made the AP honor roll.
All the other things you mentioned happen at every school district in the nation.

You doubt I live in MCPS? lol you’re a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

You are just repeating right wingers and private schools parents talking points. I doubt you live here much less having kids in MCPS.
MCPS AP passing rate is over 70% and IB is over 80%. Black kids in MCPS do better in AP than almost anywhere else.
20 MCPS H.S. made the AP honor roll.
All the other things you mentioned happen at every school district in the nation.

You doubt I live in MCPS? lol you’re a moron.

That's what I thought

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Stupid article. No metrics or comparisons. Highlights are national issues not local politics -- culture war and a once in a century pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

You're not painting a pretty picture of that the causes of trouble for black and brown students. Move form DC and PG to avoid DC and PG problems, but those problems come with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

Not sure black and brown parents thought they were buying into nirvana. But if so, then they like others were delusional. I’m not sure why anyone in 2024 thinks a public school district is perfect.

[Anonymous]

I guess someone sent the link to this thread to the MCPS admin group chat, cause those are the only people who can stomach justifying the unjustifiable in MCPS. And they love to tout the “it’s a national problem” talking point to absolve themselves and MCPS of any accountability. Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

Not sure black and brown parents thought they were buying into nirvana. But if so, then they like others were delusional. I’m not sure why anyone in 2024 thinks a public school district is perfect.

No one expects perfection, but the current state is unacceptable and you don’t have to be a perfectionist to see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess someone sent the link to this thread to the MCPS admin group chat, cause those are the only people who can stomach justifying the unjustifiable in MCPS. And they love to tout the “it’s a national problem” talking point to absolve themselves and MCPS of any accountability. Pathetic.

LOL.
I am just a black MCPS parent who had/has several kids in the system, who is not expecting perfection and doesn't drink the DCUM kool-aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent your kid. Vote sensibly. The ELLs will get a better education in MCPS and benefit our society. Remember they along with others bring the "diversity" that everyone claims they want for their kid to be exposed to, but have their kid turn their heads when a "diverse" person approaches them or sees them. Ya those people. The upper and upper middles will do fine regardless.

Claiming everyone wants diversity as if people are buying homes here to expose their family to diversity is such a crock. People buy for the academic excellence first and foremost. Unfortunately, that's gone in the toilet. And no- it's not true that if you're wealthy you'll be fine. Your child may test higher on standardized tests but spending 12 years in a school system that doesn't correct grammar leads to poor outcomes for every child. I suspect those who make the "if you're rich you'll be fine" claims aren't actually reading their students work.

Everyone may not care about diversity but many people do, especially minorities. Yes they want academic excellence but they also want to be sure there kids will be in school where they won’t be a token and where they will see themselves reflected in the curriculum and staff.

Black and brown parents do care about diversity, but they care MORE about academic excellence and safety and security.

That's why you'll often see black and brown parents MOVE their kids to more well-to-do, majority-white schools within MCPS, even though they're less diverse.

And often they fine, that while the academics are better their kids are often LESS safe and secure in said majority-white schools. Hence all the dust ups about racism, bullying and bias in schools generally but especially the majority schools. Because even after being in the better academic environment they still have to fight to have their child recognized as capable, still have to fight for equal opportunities, and have to work overtime at home and outside of school to be sure their kid is comfortable with their being. Which is why those black and brown parents will take a school that’s 8/10 or 7/10 and diverse instead of 9/10 but a majority white school.

The people in 3/10 schools often can’t afford to move to majority white school and really are fighting to have their community given what’s needed so they can raise the bar. And frankly what’s likely needed most needs to happen outside of the school day. After school programs that do tutoring and homework. Community programs that teach families English. Erin study programs for Junior/Senior HS students. Community policing.

This is not as universally true for black and brown parents as you're stating. Yes, I agree with you, there are SOME parents who will make that calculated tradeoff in academic performance/safety and diversity to the 7 or 8/10 as you put it. But there are ALSO black and brown parents who actively seek the 9/10 majority-white schools no matter what. Some of this might be rooted in white-supermacist programming that anything white is better, but that is the reality: Some black and brown parents want their kids in a W school no matter what just like some of the most fervent W school parents here on DCUM.

Black and brown parents aren't a monolith. Diversity is not the highest priority for all of them when making decisions about their schools. Is it a priority for some? Sure. To what degree? Your mileage may vary.

What's really jarring for most black and brown parents is thaty they chose to live in MCPS to not have to worry about academic quality and safety and security at all. Now, we're being woken up to the reality that our schools have similar concerns with regard to safety and academics as we do to our neighboring school districts that we have historically seen as our inferiors: PG County Public Schools and DC Public Schools.

We may have concerns and problems here, but given the choice between PG, DC, and MoCo I bet most people will still pick MoCo.

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that most of us who moved to MoCo did so because we thought we'd never have to deal with the kinds of problems that we historically associated with PGCPS and DCPS.

Obviously this was a bit of hubris on our parts, but we were also led to believe as much by county and MCPS leadership.

fully.
DP. What problems are you talking about? MCPS is one of the best places for educating black kids. Black kids in MCPS do better than almost anywhere.
DCUM is not real.

Showing up in our middle and high schools regularly:
- Drugs
- Guns
- Other Weapons

On the academic front:
- Abysmally low proficiency in math and ELA
- Lower pass rates for AP/IB exams

On the behavior front:
- Fights and assaults
- Curse words and disrespect on full display

I have no idea what you think success looks like for us, but this isn't what most black and brown parents thought they were buying when they signed up for MCPS.

Not sure black and brown parents thought they were buying into nirvana. But if so, then they like others were delusional. I’m not sure why anyone in 2024 thinks a public school district is perfect.

No one expects perfection, but the current state is unacceptable and you don’t have to be a perfectionist to see that.

No one said the current state is acceptable. But thinking all black and brown families are sudden terrified or distraught to have bought into MoCo is crazy.

[Anonymous]

It hasn’t been for decades.