MAP scores.. is this weird?

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Anonymous wrote:You should compare to 1 year ago, not to one season ago. 230ish is what 4th grade compacted should be.
So if those scores are accurate, it shows kids who weren't accelerating at home before this year, maybe had summer learning loss, but caught up quickly in the fall.

I’m new to this and my oldest is in 3rd grade…why test twice a year if scores should only be compared once a year?

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Kids get tested 3x a year to track growth.

As a teacher, it is my most helpful assessment. It breaks down the topics and lets me see who needs challenge and/or more support. Eureka is not the best and the county formatives are horrible, so this is nice and accurate data.

As a parent, I loved the parent reports so I could track my child’s progress over many years (3 tests a year throughout 6 years of elem school provides a very clear picture).

Plus, this testing doesn’t take long in comparison with state testing. I wish we could get rid of that testing and solely use Map testing.

[Anonymous]

What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you implying the teacher helped them cheat or what is the point of this?

No but my DC is my youngest and my older one was also in compacted math and never had this happen in his class.
Same school. So it seems really odd.

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

Do you think that is high or low?

In a Compacted 5-6 class, for kids who are actually ready for 5-6 and also not doing Math 8 Prealgebra at home, that's a normal average.

An average (nearly drowning) 5th grader scores 218, so CM kids should be scoring 1-2 years higher due to compaction (exposure) and to generally being better more able math students than average.

Bright kids who are studying enrichment at home / AOPS / RSM are getting up to 255 for "grade level enriched", or higher if they are already long been on an accelerated track and are now doing prealgebra or algebra(!) classes at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So my 4th grade DC took MAP M today. Everyone in his class had big jumps in their scores. Like from 201(fall) to 234(winter), 211 (fall) to 238 (winter), etc. Their entire compact math class had huge jumps. Is this normal?

What's weird are the crazy FERPA violations with these teachers throwing around everyone's MAP scores. I heard one class had them all posted on the wall "like law school".

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

Do you think that is high or low?

In a Compacted 5-6 class, for kids who are actually ready for 5-6 and also not doing Math 8 Prealgebra at home, that's a normal average.

An average (nearly drowning) 5th grader scores 218, so CM kids should be scoring 1-2 years higher due to compaction (exposure) and to generally being better more able math students than average.

Bright kids who are studying enrichment at home / AOPS / RSM are getting up to 255 for "grade level enriched", or higher if they are already long been on an accelerated track and are now doing prealgebra or algebra(!) classes at home.

Don’t the CM 5th graders take a different test? My CM 4th grader reported multiple scores in the 240s in her class. But I am assuming those are higher than what you are saying about 5th because it’s not the same test?

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

Do you think that is high or low?

In a Compacted 5-6 class, for kids who are actually ready for 5-6 and also not doing Math 8 Prealgebra at home, that's a normal average.

An average (nearly drowning) 5th grader scores 218, so CM kids should be scoring 1-2 years higher due to compaction (exposure) and to generally being better more able math students than average.

Bright kids who are studying enrichment at home / AOPS / RSM are getting up to 255 for "grade level enriched", or higher if they are already long been on an accelerated track and are now doing prealgebra or algebra(!) classes at home.

Don’t the CM 5th graders take a different test? My CM 4th grader reported multiple scores in the 240s in her class. But I am assuming those are higher than what you are saying about 5th because it’s not the same test?

Yes the CM-5 students take the 6th grade Math-M.

[Anonymous]

These tests are all about exposure to concepts. Children who are exposed to more will score higher. It is not based on IQ or math potential. For that reason it is very common that children who receive outside enrichment will score significantly higher than peers who rely on only what is taught in class. Outside enrichment can come from tutoring, math enrichment groups, Beast academy, or even just parents who talk about math concepts as they’re shopping!

For this reason, it is normal and expected to see a huge discrepancy between a Title 1 school and a more affluent school.

It’s no big deal and why we remind the kids that their goal is to beat their own score and not worry about others. As for posting scores, I’m sure that was students doing it, not a teacher! Kids love to boast about their scores even when we remind them a thousand times to just keep it to themselves!

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

Do you think that is high or low?

In a Compacted 5-6 class, for kids who are actually ready for 5-6 and also not doing Math 8 Prealgebra at home, that's a normal average.

An average (nearly drowning) 5th grader scores 218, so CM kids should be scoring 1-2 years higher due to compaction (exposure) and to generally being better more able math students than average.

Bright kids who are studying enrichment at home / AOPS / RSM are getting up to 255 for "grade level enriched", or higher if they are already long been on an accelerated track and are now doing prealgebra or algebra(!) classes at home.

Don’t the CM 5th graders take a different test? My CM 4th grader reported multiple scores in the 240s in her class. But I am assuming those are higher than what you are saying about 5th because it’s not the same test?

Yes the CM-5 students take the 6th grade Math-M.

They take the 6th grade MAP in the Spring. Fall and winter is the grade 3-5 MAP.

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

Do you think that is high or low?

In a Compacted 5-6 class, for kids who are actually ready for 5-6 and also not doing Math 8 Prealgebra at home, that's a normal average.

An average (nearly drowning) 5th grader scores 218, so CM kids should be scoring 1-2 years higher due to compaction (exposure) and to generally being better more able math students than average.

Bright kids who are studying enrichment at home / AOPS / RSM are getting up to 255 for "grade level enriched", or higher if they are already long been on an accelerated track and are now doing prealgebra or algebra(!) classes at home.

Don’t the CM 5th graders take a different test? My CM 4th grader reported multiple scores in the 240s in her class. But I am assuming those are higher than what you are saying about 5th because it’s not the same test?

The scales are calibrated between tests. But since the test tries to cover such a wide range of levels, some kids who are very good at grade-6 math but have no exposure to higher math, have a "cliff" in their ability that MAP does not model, so their scores drop when they switch from MAP 5 (really 6- content) to MAP 6+ which has headroom through Algebra 2 topics.

Students with a more smooth ability distribution, who are very good at lower math and also OK at higher math (where "lower" and "higher" both increase every year) don't see that drop when they switch tests.

Also, scores are variable, especially at the high end, because kids can get lucky or unlucky with the question selection on advanced topics, or have varying levels of perseverance to solve the hardest questions on their (personalized adaotive) test, or have a bad day. So any kid can have an anomolous jump up or down for one test, before reverting back to normal trend.

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Anonymous wrote:What's an average MAP-M score for compacted Math in winter of 5th grade?

It varies a lot based on schools and how much outside enrichment/exposure to topics that children have received. In my 5th grade class at a Title 1 school, the average is around 235. Within the class, there are a couple of students who score as low as the low 220's (which very much matches who should absolutely not be in the class) up to my highest student scoring 250.

I know from people on this site that this is not comprable to kids in the higher SES schools, but I'm quite proud of my students. They don't get extra support at home and work so hard and their scores reflect that!

Your average is 235 at a Title 1? Something isnt adding up here for sure.

Do you think that is high or low?

In a Compacted 5-6 class, for kids who are actually ready for 5-6 and also not doing Math 8 Prealgebra at home, that's a normal average.

An average (nearly drowning) 5th grader scores 218, so CM kids should be scoring 1-2 years higher due to compaction (exposure) and to generally being better more able math students than average.

Bright kids who are studying enrichment at home / AOPS / RSM are getting up to 255 for "grade level enriched", or higher if they are already long been on an accelerated track and are now doing prealgebra or algebra(!) classes at home.

Don’t the CM 5th graders take a different test? My CM 4th grader reported multiple scores in the 240s in her class. But I am assuming those are higher than what you are saying about 5th because it’s not the same test?

Yes the CM-5 students take the 6th grade Math-M.

They take the 6th grade MAP in the Spring. Fall and winter is the grade 3-5 MAP.

No, 5th grade compacted students are taking the 6+ version all year. It was only last year that the solely took it in the spring.

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Anonymous wrote:My first grader had a 205 in the fall …

1st graders take the MAP-P. 3rd-5th take a version of the MAP-M which is dff from the one used in MS even.