It's easier for women than men to be good looking. That's bad for women in the dating market.

[Anonymous]

The whole premise of this post is flawed, based on pseudo-scientific metrics and a market metaphor that is incomplete at best.

It's like OP has immersed himself in incel/manosphere/PUA bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole premise of this post is flawed, based on pseudo-scientific metrics and a market metaphor that is incomplete at best.

It's like OP has immersed himself in incel/manosphere/PUA bullshit.

Just what I was going to say. The problem is that people who are trying to argue against that craziness often say that looks don't matter, that weight doesn't matter for women, that height and income doesn't matter for men. Of course those things matter, but they matter way less than people like this think. Kindness, humor, and all that cliched stuff dominates. There needs to be physical attraction, sure, but by definition, the vast majority of us happily coupled people are average looking.

[Anonymous]

Your entire post is about looks. Dating, and especially LTRs, are about a lot more than that. Happy, well adjusted people find happy, well adjusted people, no matter what they look like.

[Anonymous]

All depends on age. Yes in their 20s, it's pretty easy for a non-fat woman to look hot.

But in the 40s up, I think women fall apart more than men, on average. But for both sexes, you see a big split at that part -- some really fall apart, and some look really good for their age.

It's why People's "sexiest man alive" and similar lists typically feature men who are 40+, but their equivalent list of women has women in their 20s.

[Anonymous]

I think society gives men more of a pass when it comes to looks. Dad bod, athletic clothes, messy hair all get a pass. Women who gain weight or stop trying are cast aside.

[Anonymous]

I think you have us confused with reddit.com/incel

[Anonymous]

OP is definitely an Incel and I would bet money his name is Ken.

[Anonymous]

Hard disagree. Men can lose weight more easily/quickly due to greater muscle mass on average than woman. Also, men can be overweight and still look sharp with a nice pair of jeans and sports jacket, or a nice suit. It is possible for women but much harder especially if they don’t have an hourglass figure

[Anonymous]

God I wish men would try harder (I’m married so no skin in the game). The proportion of viable single women to viable single men is 10:1 at best. Why are men so pathetic!? This world was literally designed for their success and happiness!! Wtf!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God I wish men would try harder (I’m married so no skin in the game). The proportion of viable single women to viable single men is 10:1 at best. Why are men so pathetic!? This world was literally designed for their success and happiness!! Wtf!!!

What are your criteria for viability?

[Anonymous]

I actually completely agree with you OP. I more often see stunningly attractive men with women I would consider moderately attractive or kind of slightly above average, rather than with a truly stunning woman. And I often notice extremely stunning women are more likely to be single than coupled up.

I think that because men are attracted to a much wider sphere of women than men are, that super attractive men often get "hunted down" by an averagely attractive woman that is willing to do anything for them. And I think men, being ego driven, often enjoy feeling that "upper hand" in the relationship anyway. So even though they *could* work harder and pursue that 9 0r 10, genuinely beautiful woman, theyre perfectly content with their 5,6,7 level woman who is going to work night and day to make them happy.

That's my theory at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All depends on age. Yes in their 20s, it's pretty easy for a non-fat woman to look hot.

But in the 40s up, I think women fall apart more than men, on average. But for both sexes, you see a big split at that part -- some really fall apart, and some look really good for their age.

It's why People's "sexiest man alive" and similar lists typically feature men who are 40+, but their equivalent list of women has women in their 20s.

I think a lot of that has to do with the powers that be though, and also just women being kind of more realistic and less delusional than men. Women in their 40s, the "minivan majority", have generally understood that super young men are going to be mostly checking for women their own age (although that seems to be rapidly changing atm). So they dont want to fantasize about the 21 year old, and they'd rather look at photos of Ryan Reynolds or Jason Momoa, because theyre the same age. It's a fantasy of who you could pair yourself with. I dont think men are burdened by ideas of what is realistic for them, so they just fantasize about women who would never glance twice at them anyway, no matter how much younger.

But when those barriers are removed many women fantasize about the younger guys. Like almost all the girls on TikTok are obsessed with young, twinky looking guys with flobby hair and protruding hipbones and babyfaces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All depends on age. Yes in their 20s, it's pretty easy for a non-fat woman to look hot.

But in the 40s up, I think women fall apart more than men, on average. But for both sexes, you see a big split at that part -- some really fall apart, and some look really good for their age.

It's why People's "sexiest man alive" and similar lists typically feature men who are 40+, but their equivalent list of women has women in their 20s.

I think a lot of that has to do with the powers that be though, and also just women being kind of more realistic and less delusional than men. Women in their 40s, the "minivan majority", have generally understood that super young men are going to be mostly checking for women their own age (although that seems to be rapidly changing atm). So they dont want to fantasize about the 21 year old, and they'd rather look at photos of Ryan Reynolds or Jason Momoa, because theyre the same age. It's a fantasy of who you could pair yourself with. I dont think men are burdened by ideas of what is realistic for them, so they just fantasize about women who would never glance twice at them anyway, no matter how much younger.

But when those barriers are removed many women fantasize about the younger guys. Like almost all the girls on TikTok are obsessed with young, twinky looking guys with flobby hair and protruding hipbones and babyfaces.

I don't fantasize about 21 year olds because as I get older, that's closer and closer to my kids' ages. Gross! To me that is not someone who can be my peer (outside of work I guess?) or lover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All depends on age. Yes in their 20s, it's pretty easy for a non-fat woman to look hot.

But in the 40s up, I think women fall apart more than men, on average. But for both sexes, you see a big split at that part -- some really fall apart, and some look really good for their age.

It's why People's "sexiest man alive" and similar lists typically feature men who are 40+, but their equivalent list of women has women in their 20s.

I think a lot of that has to do with the powers that be though, and also just women being kind of more realistic and less delusional than men. Women in their 40s, the "minivan majority", have generally understood that super young men are going to be mostly checking for women their own age (although that seems to be rapidly changing atm). So they dont want to fantasize about the 21 year old, and they'd rather look at photos of Ryan Reynolds or Jason Momoa, because theyre the same age. It's a fantasy of who you could pair yourself with. I dont think men are burdened by ideas of what is realistic for them, so they just fantasize about women who would never glance twice at them anyway, no matter how much younger.

But when those barriers are removed many women fantasize about the younger guys. Like almost all the girls on TikTok are obsessed with young, twinky looking guys with flobby hair and protruding hipbones and babyfaces.

I don't fantasize about 21 year olds because as I get older, that's closer and closer to my kids' ages. Gross! To me that is not someone who can be my peer (outside of work I guess?) or lover.

Yeah because that's important to women in a way it's not to men. But when those kinds of boundaries are removed (considerations of "OMG, I'm too old!") then they often have similar preferences to men. They love the young, healthy, fit, baby faced look, which is universally attractive.

[Anonymous]

I guess education, employment, income, mental health and moral character should've more value than looks for marriage to lower percentage of bad or failed relationships. No?