CA Schools dominate list of world-class institutions attended for fraction of cost of prestigious IVY League schools

[Anonymous]

UVA is still too high.

[Anonymous]

Go UVA,!!!!!!! You're the best! I love you so much!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

California publics sound good on paper. But look deeper & you find:

Undergrads will probably rarely encounter any of those Nobel Prize winners.

Most out of state students won’t be able to afford them.

Except for UCLA basketball, most of those NCAA championships have come in obscure sports few people watch. So, minimal impact on average undergrad. Football teams still suck.

Off-campus housing is usually very expensive & often dilapidated.

And of course there are problems with crime, protests, and getting the courses you need.

So, don’t burn those UMBC & JMU T-shirts just yet. Nothing new to see here. Move along please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivy isn't an acronym and therefore isn't capitalized. GOT IT? If you wouldn't write THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES in all caps, you shouldn't write IVY.

It makes you look like a STRIVER, maybe a FIRST GEN STRIVER or maybe even someone posting from OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

OP here: The headline is directly from the cited Newspaper which you would have known had you bothered to check before going on your capitalized ignorant rant. You sound like a product of a 3rd rate U.S. educational system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy isn't an acronym and therefore isn't capitalized. GOT IT? If you wouldn't write THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES in all caps, you shouldn't write IVY.

It makes you look like a STRIVER, maybe a FIRST GEN STRIVER or maybe even someone posting from OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

OP here: The headline is directly from the cited Newspaper which you would have known had you bothered to check before going on your capitalized ignorant rant. You sound like a product of a 3rd rate U.S. educational system.

Why do you capitalize newspaper?

FYI, Daily Mail is a tabloid, not a legit newspaper.

[Anonymous]

California schools do well on the list because return on investment is high and CA has made a focused effort to reduce reliance on student loans as much as possible. Your odds of getting into a UC are 3x higher if you come in from a community college, so that has become a very preferred path for lots of students (even those coming out of HS with an A-average and lots of AP credits). This, of course, drastically lowers the 4 year cost of attaining a bachelors degree, which in turn boosts your ROI.

Also, salaries in California are high so that improves UC schools' performance in the ratings. Look at the methodology: https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2023/08/29/how-we-rank-americas-best-colleges/?sh=73257c03294e

We ranked the remaining colleges using the following measures:

Alumni Salary (20%)
Debt (15%)
Graduation Rate (15%)
Forbes American Leaders List (15%)
Return On Investment (15%)
Retention Rate (10%)
Academic Success (10%)

UCs will do really well on components that make up 50% of the methodology - salary, debt, ROI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Perhaps someone else could help me out here, as I only have second-hand information. I understand that the global rankings depend on research coming out of the university rather than on the quality of undergraduate education. My friend in California says it's hard for kids to graduate in four years because they can't always get the classes they need. Those classes fill up, and students have to wait another semester or year to get into them. She also says that first-year and sophomore classes are huge and often have 400 students. Perhaps someone here could comment on those concerns?

What you stated is very accurate. Imo research facilities do not matter much at a large state school for undergrad—your undergrad is not likely to be able to take advantage of that—but at smaller privates undergrads get more opportunities to do research

Also the taking more than 4 years to graduate is accurate—often because you cannot get the classes you need. Many Berkeley kids take the electives they can get into for cs, not the courses they want. Or they take 5 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Perhaps someone else could help me out here, as I only have second-hand information. I understand that the global rankings depend on research coming out of the university rather than on the quality of undergraduate education. My friend in California says it's hard for kids to graduate in four years because they can't always get the classes they need. Those classes fill up, and students have to wait another semester or year to get into them. She also says that first-year and sophomore classes are huge and often have 400 students. Perhaps someone here could comment on those concerns?

What you stated is very accurate. Imo research facilities do not matter much at a large state school for undergrad—your undergrad is not likely to be able to take advantage of that—but at smaller privates undergrads get more opportunities to do research

Also the taking more than 4 years to graduate is accurate—often because you cannot get the classes you need. Many Berkeley kids take the electives they can get into for cs, not the courses they want. Or they take 5 years

My VA kid graduated from Berkeley in 3 years (no summer schools) with a double major. No problem with classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Perhaps someone else could help me out here, as I only have second-hand information. I understand that the global rankings depend on research coming out of the university rather than on the quality of undergraduate education. My friend in California says it's hard for kids to graduate in four years because they can't always get the classes they need. Those classes fill up, and students have to wait another semester or year to get into them. She also says that first-year and sophomore classes are huge and often have 400 students. Perhaps someone here could comment on those concerns?

What you stated is very accurate. Imo research facilities do not matter much at a large state school for undergrad—your undergrad is not likely to be able to take advantage of that—but at smaller privates undergrads get more opportunities to do research

Also the taking more than 4 years to graduate is accurate—often because you cannot get the classes you need. Many Berkeley kids take the electives they can get into for cs, not the courses they want. Or they take 5 years

My VA kid graduated from Berkeley in 3 years (no summer schools) with a double major. No problem with classes.

Please name the majors. Thank you in advance !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Perhaps someone else could help me out here, as I only have second-hand information. I understand that the global rankings depend on research coming out of the university rather than on the quality of undergraduate education. My friend in California says it's hard for kids to graduate in four years because they can't always get the classes they need. Those classes fill up, and students have to wait another semester or year to get into them. She also says that first-year and sophomore classes are huge and often have 400 students. Perhaps someone here could comment on those concerns?

What you stated is very accurate. Imo research facilities do not matter much at a large state school for undergrad—your undergrad is not likely to be able to take advantage of that—but at smaller privates undergrads get more opportunities to do research

Also the taking more than 4 years to graduate is accurate—often because you cannot get the classes you need. Many Berkeley kids take the electives they can get into for cs, not the courses they want. Or they take 5 years

My VA kid graduated from Berkeley in 3 years (no summer schools) with a double major. No problem with classes.

Please name the majors. Thank you in advance !

Computer Science and Economics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Unless you live in California, OP's premise isn't even remotely true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Perhaps someone else could help me out here, as I only have second-hand information. I understand that the global rankings depend on research coming out of the university rather than on the quality of undergraduate education. My friend in California says it's hard for kids to graduate in four years because they can't always get the classes they need. Those classes fill up, and students have to wait another semester or year to get into them. She also says that first-year and sophomore classes are huge and often have 400 students. Perhaps someone here could comment on those concerns?

What you stated is very accurate. Imo research facilities do not matter much at a large state school for undergrad—your undergrad is not likely to be able to take advantage of that—but at smaller privates undergrads get more opportunities to do research

Also the taking more than 4 years to graduate is accurate—often because you cannot get the classes you need. Many Berkeley kids take the electives they can get into for cs, not the courses they want. Or they take 5 years

My VA kid graduated from Berkeley in 3 years (no summer schools) with a double major. No problem with classes.

CS major or engineering major? Please list your VA kid's major

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

I see OP is a student of ancient history. 1989 for football, 1974 for the NBA, never for the MLB, never for the NHL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California schools have come out on top in a list of world-class education institutions which cost just a fraction of their IVY League rivals.

The universities which run on government funding offer students top-notch education for thousands of dollars less than tuition of prestigious alternatives.

According to Forbes, seven out of 25 universities ranked as the top public schools in the US are located in California, with four being rated in the top five of the list.

University of California, Berkeley, University of California, Los Angeles, University of California, San Diego, and University of California, Santa Barbara, were ranked in the top four.

Criteria for the list included return on investment, student success, student debt and alumni leadership and influence.

Berkeley's alumni include 35 Nobel Prizes recipients, nine of whom are currently faculty members at UC Berkeley.

Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

Top 25 Public Colleges:

1. University of California, Berkeley

2. University of California, Los Angeles

3. University of California, San Diego

4. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

5. University of California, Santa Barbara

6. University of Washington, Seattle

7. University of Florida, Gainesville

8. University of Virginia, Charlottesville

9. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

10. University of Texas, Austin

11. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

12. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta

13. University of Maryland, College Park

14. University of California, Davis

15. University of Wisconsin, Madison

16. San Diego State University

17. Rutgers University, New Brunswick

18. Texas A&M University, College Station

19. Purdue University, West Lafayette

20. Binghamton University

21. University of Georgia, Athens

22. Florida State University, Tallahassee

23. University of California, Irvine

24. Michigan State University, East Lansing

25. North Carolina State University, Raleigh

The racial or cultural population of students on a campus played no role in the Forbes college analysis, but San Diego State is the only California college to have majority students being Hispanic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12787503/California-schools-dominate-list-world-class-education.html

Perhaps someone else could help me out here, as I only have second-hand information. I understand that the global rankings depend on research coming out of the university rather than on the quality of undergraduate education. My friend in California says it's hard for kids to graduate in four years because they can't always get the classes they need. Those classes fill up, and students have to wait another semester or year to get into them. She also says that first-year and sophomore classes are huge and often have 400 students. Perhaps someone here could comment on those concerns?

What you stated is very accurate. Imo research facilities do not matter much at a large state school for undergrad—your undergrad is not likely to be able to take advantage of that—but at smaller privates undergrads get more opportunities to do research

Also the taking more than 4 years to graduate is accurate—often because you cannot get the classes you need. Many Berkeley kids take the electives they can get into for cs, not the courses they want. Or they take 5 years

My VA kid graduated from Berkeley in 3 years (no summer schools) with a double major. No problem with classes.

CS major or engineering major? Please list your VA kid's major

DP here. My OOS DD will graduate in June from UCLA in four years in Cognitive Science and Entrepreneurship. She was also able to study abroad and still graduate on time. Her huge friend group are all graduating in four years with majors ranging from Engineering, CS, Applied Math, Neuroscience, Business Economics etc. You can see the graduation rates here:

https://apb.ucla.edu/campus-statistics/graduation-ttd

Keep in mind, that UCLA has a very high percentage of first gen and low-income students, many of whom have to work while studying, and that affects how long it takes them to graduate.

That said, my DD would admit that it is a bit of a blood bath every quarter registering for classes, but in the end, she has always gotten the classes she needed on time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although athletic departments are not part of Forbes’ analysis, it should be noted that 121 gold Olympic medals have been awarded to students and alumni, and its teams have won 98 NCAA championships in the school’s history.

UCLA's athletic department on the other hand has been more successful in the NCAA, winning 121 championships and a number one overall pick in almost every major league draft.

I know this thread is public school-focused, and UCLA's athletic program is undoubtedly accomplished, but in the same state you have Stanford with more NCAA titles and Olympic medals. Plus four #1 overall picks in the NFL draft and one in the MLB draft.