17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched

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I am generally not a supporter of capital punishment. But it’s noteworthy that until 1962 DC had a mandatory death sentence for anyone convicted of first degree murder. Punishment for those convicted was certain and relatively swift. And there were a lot fewer murders.

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Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

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Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

+1. If this was the way that kids mom behaves, what chance did that child have. The boy who was killed during the attempted carjacking idolized his father, who killed a cop. Stop demonizing these children its absolutely ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

I agree with the last sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

What evidence do you have for that?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

DC has a long standing policy of not doing jack shit about teenagers who commit even horrific crimes. Look where it has gotten us. We arrest the same people over and over and over as they commit increasingly serious crimes. Hand wringing about root causes has gotten us nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.

Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.

DP. I agree with this. This kid didn't suffer "generational trauma" anymore than Prince Harry has. He suffered from a lousy upbringing and an inability to do better despite it - which most people are able to do. IOW, he is a criminal and his parent(s) is too. That's not trauma. It's just bad/criminal behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.

Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.

Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.

DP. I agree with this. This kid didn't suffer "generational trauma" anymore than Prince Harry has. He suffered from a lousy upbringing and an inability to do better despite it - which most people are able to do. IOW, he is a criminal and his parent(s) is too. That's not trauma. It's just bad/criminal behavior.

Regarding the bolded, what you are describing is generational trauma.

https://iuhealth.org/thrive/generational-trauma-breaking-the-cycle-of-adverse-childhood-experiences

It is absolutely true that there are many people who grow up with a large number of adverse childhood experiences who do not commit crimes. It is also true that there are very privileged people who commit crimes despite their backgrounds. Both things can be true.

Why are you people so invested in refusing to believe that people's environments affect the way they develop? Why are you so invested in believing that it is only a lack of personal responsibility or "being a bad person" that explain behavior? I don't know why you felt like you needed to bring the Spare into it, but there is generational trauma there as well, just really different than this kid in Columbia Heights.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.

Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.

Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.

These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.

Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.

It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.

You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.

Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.

Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.

I didn't tell you to shove your belief up your a$$ though. I engaged in an adult conversation. Go ahead and keep on believing in how right you are. I'm sure it's very comforting in this scary complicated world with complicated problems.