Seeking clarity about Hamas

[Anonymous]

I wonder who is going to tell OP that Israel directly facilitated the creation and empowerment of Hamas…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

17 years ago.

After three weeks of the attack, 80% of Palestinians responded that they would vote for Hamas again.

Source? Who the hell is conducting reliable polls in Gaza?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really need some clarity on why we’re supposed to feel like Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. And I mean that sincerely— like, I understand that Donald trump did not represent all/most American people. He won an election without having majority support. So is that what we’re saying? That Hamas just grabbed power but is no reflection of the majority?

There hasn't been any sort of vote since 2005, so there is no concept of what constitutes "a majority" - but what is absolutely true is that the average Palestianian is not part of Hamas the political and military organization.

And over 50% of the population of Gaza is children. Who obviously didn't vote for Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

17 years ago.

After three weeks of the attack, 80% of Palestinians responded that they would vote for Hamas again.

Source? Who the hell is conducting reliable polls in Gaza?

Or even in the West Bank!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

17 years ago.

After three weeks of the attack, 80% of Palestinians responded that they would vote for Hamas again.

Source? Who the hell is conducting reliable polls in Gaza?

The source is his/her cornhole.

[Anonymous]

I believe AP did some polling in the past year or two. It showed that roughly 50 percent of Palestinians support Hamas. The numbers are higher in Gaza than in the West Bank. In any event, Hamas has considerable popular support among Palestinians, particularly in Gaza.

[Anonymous]

It’s not an easy question because Hamas is not just a militant terrorist group, they are a government and they provides scholarships and social welfare that actually caused some Palestinians from the West Bank and Israel to move to Gaza.

To cut Hamas truly off, Israel would have to deal with Qatar , Iran, Egypt and all the other silent financiers who make Gaza even possible including the US.

Gaza gets destroyed all the time but new buildings and an economy always spring back up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

17 years ago.

After three weeks of the attack, 80% of Palestinians responded that they would vote for Hamas again.

Source? Who the hell is conducting reliable polls in Gaza?

This. Normal Palestinians and normal Israelis want a peaceful two-state solution. Hamas and the right-wing Israeli government have been doing the opposite for years. But whenever the Israelis elect a more moderate government, another intifada comes along and the right wing gets voted back in because Israelis prefer to not be slaughtered more than what seems like unattainable peace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

And that was back in 2006. Hamas has not had any elections since. I think there was a poll that showed something like 76% of Palestinians are not happy with how Hamas is running things.

Once you elect terrorists or fascists or any other group that rules by ruthless violence and intimidation take power, they won’t give up power and will manufacture conflicts and crises to incite fear and prejudice among the citizens. Once Hamas got control of Gaza the current situation was inevitable. This is what they wanted, their strategy is to periodically generate mass deaths of innocent civilians on both sides. They won’t negotiate peace with Israel and they won’t let anyone else negotiate on behalf of Gazans. Hamas exists to create chaos.

To what end, PP?
Does Hamas think this will destroy Israel?
It feels like murder/suicide to me. Hamas started this mess, and won't stop until they're all dead and tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians are dead too. Israel is stronger and has a right-wing government, so they saw this coming. I can't see any logic in it, can you?

[Anonymous]

Op, I have wondered the same exact same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

17 years ago.

After three weeks of the attack, 80% of Palestinians responded that they would vote for Hamas again.

Source? Who the hell is conducting reliable polls in Gaza?

This. Normal Palestinians and normal Israelis want a peaceful two-state solution. Hamas and the right-wing Israeli government have been doing the opposite for years. But whenever the Israelis elect a more moderate government, another intifada comes along and the right wing gets voted back in because Israelis prefer to not be slaughtered more than what seems like unattainable peace.

The average Israeli has been stewing in extreme right wing propaganda for several decades and is more brainwashed and militant than MAGA.

Hamas was nurtured, collaborated with and legitimized by Israeli right wing governments. Hamas is the Palestinian extreme right wing, put in charge of keeping order in the Gaza ghetto.

The intifadas are ghetto revolts usually preceded by ramp up of settlements and violence against the prisoners. The latest prison revolt is driven not only by months of violence against Palestinians, but also an ethnic cleansing plan negotiated between Israel, USA and Saudi Arabia in which Palestinians would be shipped off to Egypt or other neighboring Arab countries.

[Anonymous]

NP. Since I have yet to see a single Palestinian leader anywhere around the world stand up and condemn Hamas, I have to assume that they support Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really need some clarity on why we’re supposed to feel like Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. And I mean that sincerely— like, I understand that Donald trump did not represent all/most American people. He won an election without having majority support. So is that what we’re saying? That Hamas just grabbed power but is no reflection of the majority?

You don't need a majority to come to your house and to chop your wife/daughter's head like they chopped Shani Louk's head, previously brutally raping her. The crowd that marching through your big cities now will be more than plenty to complete the task of beheading Jewish babies in US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Since I have yet to see a single Palestinian leader anywhere around the world stand up and condemn Hamas, I have to assume that they support Hamas.

US Senate members refused to condemn it, why are you expecting Palestinians to condemn it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think so. They got 45% of the vote, which was enough to control the parliament.

Certainly not all Palestinians support them. How many do I don’t know, but not all.

17 years ago.

After three weeks of the attack, 80% of Palestinians responded that they would vote for Hamas again.

Source? Who the hell is conducting reliable polls in Gaza?

This. Normal Palestinians and normal Israelis want a peaceful two-state solution. Hamas and the right-wing Israeli government have been doing the opposite for years. But whenever the Israelis elect a more moderate government, another intifada comes along and the right wing gets voted back in because Israelis prefer to not be slaughtered more than what seems like unattainable peace.

Are those Palestinians who are marching in Seattle, Detroit, New York, San Diego, SF are normal? How do we know it? Most of them were not vetted at the southern border.