Entire class given 0 on test - is this allowed? LCPS high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Collective punishment is banned in most school districts and grading usually has standard set by the county. I would report the teacher and then tell your kid to tell you if the teacher does anything and then report them again for retaliation

every educator should know collective punishment is prohibited.

This has caused unnecessary stress to students and parents.

Marking threats to students to execute an illegal act should not cause the teachers removal but it should cause some type of disciplinary action.

This is intimidation.

This is child neglect.

This is educational malpractice.

Best response as pointed out already is to retest everyone.

[Anonymous]

Hope the teacher goes thru with it. Report back!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that teacher. How refreshing.

It’s total BS. Only the cheater should be punished.

Something similar happened when I was in high school. The teacher made a new, much harder test for everyone to take. It sucked, but no giving innocent kids a 0.

This is what happened when I was in HS in my pre-calc class. The new test was incredibly hard, and IMO, included problems we had not covered in class. TBH, it only encouraged more cheating. Students got pissy about the harder test so even those who had never cheated started. I had no idea there were so many ways to cheat before that class. Students found ways to hide formulas and example problems in their graphing calculators that would then delete instantly after pushing 1 button.

A new test should be given - and actually several versions of the test should be given - but it shouldn't be harder as punishment, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would stay calm and see if that actually happens before I go to the teacher or admin. She may be trying to get a confession or a snitch

+1

Another +1. Do kids usually call their parents about stuff like this in the middle of the school day? I’d give it a day or to to see how this plays out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that teacher. How refreshing.

If the teacher goes through with the threat, they deserve to be fired and sued if any of those grade effect transcripts

If a class of students stands behind a cheater, they deserve to have it affect their transcripts. Academic integrity matters. We need more adults who advance because of their integrity. Lyign and cheating is ruining our world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that teacher. How refreshing.

If the teacher goes through with the threat, they deserve to be fired and sued if any of those grade effect transcripts

If a class of students stands behind a cheater, they deserve to have it affect their transcripts. Academic integrity matters. We need more adults who advance because of their integrity. Lyign and cheating is ruining our world.

Why do you assume anyone knows who the cheater is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah no, the teacher cannot do that. They can give another/new test, they can adjust the weight of that test to be lower since honesty isn't guaranteed, they can drop the test entirely, they can choose to use an alternative assessment like a lab grade or something. They cannot give a 0 for unconfirmed cheating to everyone, and they probably know it.

This is an empty threat that is going to backfire on the teacher when the cheater doesn't come forward and the teacher can't give all 0s.

I would reach out to the teacher and say that you are concerned and can s/he please clarify what he plans to do?

I can’t imagine how that’s allowed. It’s punishing the entire class for the action of one.

Now this is peer pressure I can support

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that teacher. How refreshing.

If the teacher goes through with the threat, they deserve to be fired and sued if any of those grade effect transcripts

😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah no, the teacher cannot do that. They can give another/new test, they can adjust the weight of that test to be lower since honesty isn't guaranteed, they can drop the test entirely, they can choose to use an alternative assessment like a lab grade or something. They cannot give a 0 for unconfirmed cheating to everyone, and they probably know it.

This is an empty threat that is going to backfire on the teacher when the cheater doesn't come forward and the teacher can't give all 0s.

I would reach out to the teacher and say that you are concerned and can s/he please clarify what he plans to do?

I can’t imagine how that’s allowed. It’s punishing the entire class for the action of one.

Now this is peer pressure I can support

As an adult, would you want to be punished for someones actions you had no idea about? If I was in this class and I didn’t know who cheated and I studied hard for my test then I would be so upset about this.

[Anonymous]

I am wondering if he found the cheat sheet AND the kids’ responses on the test make it clear most of them used it. I could see that being grounds for a 0 as a threat but ultimately the most he will be able to do per the grading policy is give them all a retake (and he will definitely make it harder) and if he finds out who the instigator was, the original 0 for that kid stands and the retake goes in as well, which means even if the kid gets a 100 on the retake it’ll average to a 50. (That is the official policy for handling academic dishonesty.)

-LCPS teacher

[Anonymous]

In any case - just want to add - your kid needs to prepare for a retake because truly, he can’t let the original grades stand if he doesn’t know who cheated and who didn’t. The test actually was compromised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Collective punishment is banned in most school districts and grading usually has standard set by the county. I would report the teacher and then tell your kid to tell you if the teacher does anything and then report them again for retaliation

every educator should know collective punishment is prohibited.

This has caused unnecessary stress to students and parents.

Marking threats to students to execute an illegal act should not cause the teachers removal but it should cause some type of disciplinary action.

This is intimidation.

This is child neglect.

This is educational malpractice.

Best response as pointed out already is to retest everyone.

OMG-seriously? Get some perspective.

[Anonymous]

Have you all forgotten how stressful it is to be a high school teenager? And the college pressures? This would have had me in tears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if he found the cheat sheet AND the kids’ responses on the test make it clear most of them used it. I could see that being grounds for a 0 as a threat but ultimately the most he will be able to do per the grading policy is give them all a retake (and he will definitely make it harder) and if he finds out who the instigator was, the original 0 for that kid stands and the retake goes in as well, which means even if the kid gets a 100 on the retake it’ll average to a 50. (That is the official policy for handling academic dishonesty.)

-LCPS teacher

Well, if the cheat sheet wasn't very useful and they all gave the same wrong answers, perhaps?
But if they were right answers....?

[Anonymous]

Team teacher.