Entire class given 0 on test - is this allowed? LCPS high school.

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Anonymous wrote:If it happens in college, good luck with a tenured professor

In college science physics classes if a cheat sheet would help you that much, the professor usually lets you bring one because they are testing for deep understanding not memorizing formulas.

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You’re all so GD soft. Are you not even a little embarrassed about being this involved in the minutiae of your HS student’s physics class? Consulting the handbook? Maybe get yourself a lawyer while you’re at it. 🙄

Also, this happened in School Ties.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that teacher. How refreshing.

Because she took the easy way out? I bet money this teacher has been using the same test forever and that is why there was a cheat sheet.
I would take this woman to task for pulling that shit.

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This is why camera's in classroom would be nice. I don't see what other choice the teacher had.

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Anonymous wrote:I love it. Teach Teacher here.

Folks are saying only the cheater should be punished -- well yeah. But this is how the teacher figures out who that is.

It is lazy and abusive. You want children to hate school? Keep this up.
How about getting off your ass and writing a new test that the students do not already have a copy of? You know, actually teach.

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Anonymous wrote:It's like none of you are familiar with honor codes...

Do those only apply to children or are the adults also bound by honor codes?

Never mind, I've watch how teachers have behaved the last 3.5 years and already know that answer.

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Hopefully the teacher is scaring them some. Cheating has been running rampant in colleges and universities and where do you think it starts? They all need a wake up call or every physics test will have a cheater.

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Anonymous wrote:If it happens in college, good luck with a tenured professor

In college science physics classes if a cheat sheet would help you that much, the professor usually lets you bring one because they are testing for deep understanding not memorizing formulas.

Yes, this is true. Both of my kids have told me how surprising it was in their upper-level Physics, Chem, and Calc courses that formula sheets are laminated and handed out to each student before an exam. The professors don't care if a student remembers an equation - they want to see if the person can apply the equation correctly.

DS loves it because his memorization skills were always on the weaker side and something he struggled with. His grades in his college math courses are much higher than any he had in HS!

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Anonymous wrote:If it happens in college, good luck with a tenured professor

In college science physics classes if a cheat sheet would help you that much, the professor usually lets you bring one because they are testing for deep understanding not memorizing formulas.

Yes, this is true. Both of my kids have told me how surprising it was in their upper-level Physics, Chem, and Calc courses that formula sheets are laminated and handed out to each student before an exam. The professors don't care if a student remembers an equation - they want to see if the person can apply the equation correctly.

DS loves it because his memorization skills were always on the weaker side and something he struggled with. His grades in his college math courses are much higher than any he had in HS!

AP and lower level classes do this too.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if he found the cheat sheet AND the kids’ responses on the test make it clear most of them used it. I could see that being grounds for a 0 as a threat but ultimately the most he will be able to do per the grading policy is give them all a retake (and he will definitely make it harder) and if he finds out who the instigator was, the original 0 for that kid stands and the retake goes in as well, which means even if the kid gets a 100 on the retake it’ll average to a 50. (That is the official policy for handling academic dishonesty.)

-LCPS teacher

My child tends to get 100s on math tests even in high school. So her having a perfect score would indicate nothing. I would be IRATE if she were accused of cheating based upon this and no other evidence. I'm also well-versed in the LCPS grading policy and not a doormat, so this is unlikely to happen to us.

Where did you learn about LCPS grading policy?

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Anonymous wrote:If it happens in college, good luck with a tenured professor

In college science physics classes if a cheat sheet would help you that much, the professor usually lets you bring one because they are testing for deep understanding not memorizing formulas.

Yes, this is true. Both of my kids have told me how surprising it was in their upper-level Physics, Chem, and Calc courses that formula sheets are laminated and handed out to each student before an exam. The professors don't care if a student remembers an equation - they want to see if the person can apply the equation correctly.

DS loves it because his memorization skills were always on the weaker side and something he struggled with. His grades in his college math courses are much higher than any he had in HS!

My university Stats exams were open book because the difficult thing was to recognize what kind of problem it was and what kind of test you needed to use to solve it.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that teacher. How refreshing.

It’s total BS. Only the cheater should be punished.

Something similar happened when I was in high school. The teacher made a new, much harder test for everyone to take. It sucked, but no giving innocent kids a 0.

This is what happened when I was in HS in my pre-calc class. The new test was incredibly hard, and IMO, included problems we had not covered in class. TBH, it only encouraged more cheating. Students got pissy about the harder test so even those who had never cheated started. I had no idea there were so many ways to cheat before that class. Students found ways to hide formulas and example problems in their graphing calculators that would then delete instantly after pushing 1 button.

A new test should be given - and actually several versions of the test should be given - but it shouldn't be harder as punishment, IMO.

I wonder how many other tech savvy kids in the class were doing this with their calculators, and yet the teacher is focusing on the one who was old-school enough to write info on a piece of paper. How many others used an electronic solution or didn't drop their piece of paper? It would seem better to provide basic formulas to all.

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Anonymous wrote:Collective punishment is banned in most school districts and grading usually has standard set by the county. I would report the teacher and then tell your kid to tell you if the teacher does anything and then report them again for retaliation

every educator should know collective punishment is prohibited.

This has caused unnecessary stress to students and parents.

Marking threats to students to execute an illegal act should not cause the teachers removal but it should cause some type of disciplinary action.

This is intimidation.

This is child neglect.

This is educational malpractice.

Best response as pointed out already is to retest everyone.

At my son's private, teacher found a cheat sheet. The whole class had daily detention until someone confessed. Zero parents complained. Just letting you know not everyone feels like you do.

Another moron. Detention doesn't impact college admissions. This 0 will. It is unfair to expect innocent students to suffer like this.

So you care about your own kid's college chances more than the academic integrity of the class and collective morality. This is why cheaters win.

NP here but yeah I do, if you define "collective morality" as the morals of a group of kids who just happened to get thrown into the same class because their parents bought houses close to each other. Why should my kid's college choices be severely limited because some random kid decided to cheat? Can you imagine if that were the case with every moral decision? What if one kid sexually harassed another kid? Or shoplifted? Should that hurt your child's chances at a good college?

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Anonymous wrote:Collective punishment is banned in most school districts and grading usually has standard set by the county. I would report the teacher and then tell your kid to tell you if the teacher does anything and then report them again for retaliation

every educator should know collective punishment is prohibited.

This has caused unnecessary stress to students and parents.

Marking threats to students to execute an illegal act should not cause the teachers removal but it should cause some type of disciplinary action.

This is intimidation.

This is child neglect.

This is educational malpractice.

Best response as pointed out already is to retest everyone.

At my son's private, teacher found a cheat sheet. The whole class had daily detention until someone confessed. Zero parents complained. Just letting you know not everyone feels like you do.

Another moron. Detention doesn't impact college admissions. This 0 will. It is unfair to expect innocent students to suffer like this.

So you care about your own kid's college chances more than the academic integrity of the class and collective morality. This is why cheaters win.

NP here but yeah I do, if you define "collective morality" as the morals of a group of kids who just happened to get thrown into the same class because their parents bought houses close to each other. Why should my kid's college choices be severely limited because some random kid decided to cheat? Can you imagine if that were the case with every moral decision? What if one kid sexually harassed another kid? Or shoplifted? Should that hurt your child's chances at a good college?

Maybe our society would be better off because people would be more pressured and expected to behave properly.

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Anonymous wrote:If a cheat sheet is going to help a kid that much with a physics test, maybe the test isn't hard enough. When I took physics in high school and college we were usually allowed to bring in a sheet of paper with formulas, etc because the goal was to make sure we understood and could apply what we had learned. It's not like actual physicists are doing their jobs from memory.

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This. I’m a physics teacher and give open note tests. The notes never help the kids all that much. I don’t want kids to memorize equations and formulas