Are Asian students at a disadvantage?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son is Asian. Has dual citizenship and possibly a third citizenship to come.

He's no braniac - more of an athlete trying to use his sport to get him into good schools (He has a 3.91 UW GPA with about 8 APs but his test scores will likely be low)

Is he going to have trouble getting into schools because he doesn't test as high as most Asians?

We are hoping the coach who recruits him will help nudge him over the finish line a bit but it seems like coaches and admissions officers see an Asian kid and assume they will have a 1600 SAT and I'm not sure they will accept my child who does not.

This is the other side of the "model minority " myth. All Asians aren’t academic superstars. Most go to community colleges.

Blame the tiger moms.

if you are not academic superstar, can you even call yourself an Asian?

You obviously mean to be rude.

Good job

[Anonymous]

There is a whole spectrum of Asian applicant which includes, rich and poor, south and east, local and international, academics and athletes, artists and performers, high stats and low stats, extroverts and introverts, first generation and 4th gen, liberal and orthodox, religious and atheists, straight and gay, sheltered and stray, etc etc.

Painting them all with one broad brush and is discrimination and racism.

[Anonymous]

This is so exaggerated.

My Asian kid had a good GPA and low test scores. Her ethnicity proved to be an advantage at the second tier small LAC’s she applied to (many of which were test optional). They often have trouble achieving the diverse community they seek.

Forget about the whole ethnicity angle and apply to schools that are a good fit for your son, and realistic given his credentials. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son is Asian. Has dual citizenship and possibly a third citizenship to come.

He's no braniac - more of an athlete trying to use his sport to get him into good schools (He has a 3.91 UW GPA with about 8 APs but his test scores will likely be low)

Is he going to have trouble getting into schools because he doesn't test as high as most Asians?

We are hoping the coach who recruits him will help nudge him over the finish line a bit but it seems like coaches and admissions officers see an Asian kid and assume they will have a 1600 SAT and I'm not sure they will accept my child who does not.

You kidding, right? 3.91 is a high GPA. What's the weighted GPA? How rigorous are the APs? What's the SAT/ACT?

If he's aiming for top schools, it may be a challenge but then top schools are lotteries for anyone. If you aim lower, there should be no problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so exaggerated.

My Asian kid had a good GPA and low test scores. Her ethnicity proved to be an advantage at the second tier small LAC’s she applied to (many of which were test optional). They often have trouble achieving the diverse community they seek.

Forget about the whole ethnicity angle and apply to schools that are a good fit for your son, and realistic given his credentials. Good luck!

Asians do fine at second and third tier schools, its top tier where they are pushed back.

[Anonymous]

If Asian and applying to comp sci or engineering, there is definite disadvantage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Asian boy gets good GPA in school but he does not do well in sports. I never see him study, but he is outside to play sports day and night. He has low muscle tone and average build, and that makes it more harder for him to do well in any sports. I wish he spends more time and effort into studies, but he does not listen to me.

My Asian girl does really poor in school and she has learning disabilities. I don't even know about her future. No matter how hard I push her to study, she gets passing score. I just hope that she can graduate & attend community college. She is into dance and singing, but there is no award/prize.

Don’t worry! There is a college for your kids. My kid has learning disabilities (dyslexia, dysgraphia and ADHD) and had plenty of choices. People here are fretting over 25 or 30 schools. There are thousands more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a whole spectrum of Asian applicant which includes, rich and poor, south and east, local and international, academics and athletes, artists and performers, high stats and low stats, extroverts and introverts, first generation and 4th gen, liberal and orthodox, religious and atheists, straight and gay, sheltered and stray, etc etc.

Painting them all with one broad brush and is discrimination and racism.

I agree with this. A pet peeve of mine is the Asian stereotypes about athletics. As a former national track athlete, I always tell people to look at the Japanese national track records (just as an example). The 400m record, for example, is 44.7 - blindingly fast - not top 10 all time but really fast. Their pole vault record is 19"1!! I could go on, but the stereotypes are both aggravating and wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Am I missing something? Wasn't the whole Supreme Court Anti-affirmative action case about this? It will be illegal for any school to use his race against him when he applies.

NP here. Each group (Asians, whites and URMs) are competing against their own demographic from their respective high school. Colleges can only accept so many total students from each high school, so your peers are your competition. Some colleges will not admit to this, and others have only recently started admitting to this practice.

As an Asian, if you are playing piano or violin (there might be other instruments thought of as "Asian heavy" now), and have high GPA and test score, and don't play a sport (other than racquet sports or golf) - then you are in the same pile as your Asian peers. Affirmative Action has nothing to do with anything, for the record, because URMs (and probably whites) are under separate consideration. You are competing against your own demographic. Also, be careful where you get your admissions information. There is much bad information regarding "pointy" and "well rounded" schools, for example.

There is so much wrong with this. Colleges cannot consider race. They cannot approximate hobbies for race. They can, however, say we don’t need another piano player.

While schools consider students against their peers, that’s just in the early process. They are then considered against students outside of their school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Asian boy gets good GPA in school but he does not do well in sports. I never see him study, but he is outside to play sports day and night. He has low muscle tone and average build, and that makes it more harder for him to do well in any sports. I wish he spends more time and effort into studies, but he does not listen to me.

My Asian girl does really poor in school and she has learning disabilities. I don't even know about her future. No matter how hard I push her to study, she gets passing score. I just hope that she can graduate & attend community college. She is into dance and singing, but there is no award/prize.

Change the last name to something that is not Asian sounding and leave the race box unchecked. Also, do not put any information on the application, essays etc. that can identify the applicant as Asian. It would be better if the last name sounded like a black person's last name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Asian boy gets good GPA in school but he does not do well in sports. I never see him study, but he is outside to play sports day and night. He has low muscle tone and average build, and that makes it more harder for him to do well in any sports. I wish he spends more time and effort into studies, but he does not listen to me.

My Asian girl does really poor in school and she has learning disabilities. I don't even know about her future. No matter how hard I push her to study, she gets passing score. I just hope that she can graduate & attend community college. She is into dance and singing, but there is no award/prize.

Change the last name to something that is not Asian sounding and leave the race box unchecked. Also, do not put any information on the application, essays etc. that can identify the applicant as Asian. It would be better if the last name sounded like a black person's last name.

Idiot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Asian boy gets good GPA in school but he does not do well in sports. I never see him study, but he is outside to play sports day and night. He has low muscle tone and average build, and that makes it more harder for him to do well in any sports. I wish he spends more time and effort into studies, but he does not listen to me.

My Asian girl does really poor in school and she has learning disabilities. I don't even know about her future. No matter how hard I push her to study, she gets passing score. I just hope that she can graduate & attend community college. She is into dance and singing, but there is no award/prize.

Change the last name to something that is not Asian sounding and leave the race box unchecked. Also, do not put any information on the application, essays etc. that can identify the applicant as Asian. It would be better if the last name sounded like a black person's last name.

Oh please

[Anonymous]

Don’t worry! There is a college for your kids. My kid has learning disabilities (dyslexia, dysgraphia and ADHD) and had plenty of choices. People here are fretting over 25 or 30 schools. There are thousands more.

PP, what schools did your son look at and where did your dc end up going

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Asian boy gets good GPA in school but he does not do well in sports. I never see him study, but he is outside to play sports day and night. He has low muscle tone and average build, and that makes it more harder for him to do well in any sports. I wish he spends more time and effort into studies, but he does not listen to me.

My Asian girl does really poor in school and she has learning disabilities. I don't even know about her future. No matter how hard I push her to study, she gets passing score. I just hope that she can graduate & attend community college. She is into dance and singing, but there is no award/prize.

Change the last name to something that is not Asian sounding and leave the race box unchecked. Also, do not put any information on the application, essays etc. that can identify the applicant as Asian. It would be better if the last name sounded like a black person's last name.

If you lie on the application, the school will throw your DC out permanently. Why on earth would you suggest this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so exaggerated.

My Asian kid had a good GPA and low test scores. Her ethnicity proved to be an advantage at the second tier small LAC’s she applied to (many of which were test optional). They often have trouble achieving the diverse community they seek.

Forget about the whole ethnicity angle and apply to schools that are a good fit for your son, and realistic given his credentials. Good luck!

Asians do fine at second and third tier schools, its top tier where they are pushed back.

OP said their kid is not expected
to test well, so they can let go of top tier dreams. As more families should do .

Life goes on.