Northwestern

[Anonymous]

I don't know. The national media coverage of the whole scandal has been interesting to watch. Several national outlets and pundits have (rightly) heaped huge praise on the student journalists who broke the initial story, highlighting the strength of Northwestern's already mega-prestigious journalism school. Keep in mind also that the athletics program is essentially separate from the overall undergraduate student culture.

[Anonymous]

Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

In what sense ?

Northwestern's rate of admission is about 7% and NU is ranked in the top 10 by US News.

Northwestern's location is great and its setting on the shore of Lake Michigan is gorgeous.

Easy access by train to Chicago.

Diverse campus regarding both academic offerings and students.

Endowment is among the top 10 among all US colleges & universities.

Incredible grad schools as well.

[Anonymous]

…yes, but it’s not on a coast, so how could it possibly be anything but a collection of rubes in bib overalls?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

How do you overhype a T10 university?

And, as PP pointed out, so many unique qualities and top programs.

What's not to hype? (Other than the swarms of flies in spring).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“…in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden……

…and that’s why they aren’t very good in football. Next.

Wasn’t Duke better than Northwestern last year?

Duke is in the ACC, a weaker league than the Big 10. Their AD should not be viewed as a diversity hire. She is very good and attracts good coaches. Background from Notre Dame. I would not say the same for NU's current AD. Perhaps he can grow into the job.

Football is a numbers game. NU - by virtue of being a 1-11 team in the Big 10 - received 59 million in payouts. They are not giving up football.

The SEC's deal going forward is sweeter than the Big 10. Imagine you are Florida State - a school that historically runs on football. You wake up to find that the ACC is economically mediocre and that your in-state rival Florida is going to receive in the future 40 million more each year from SEC dollars than FSU. That puts Florida in a position where they can spend and initiate NIL deals to get the best de facto pro team they can get. No small matter to FSU. Of course FSU wants in the SEC but there is an over $100M buyout to the ACC to leave - and the SEC won't accept them (or Clemson) unless those issues are flattened. How does this relate to NU? Look at the numbers - no way NU is volunatirly not playing football or leaving the Big 10. Look I think there's something wrong with NU's sports culture - I never experienced any form of hazing as a scholarship athlete at Duke (although there were other imperfections). But money still talks - Fitz got fired two days after receiving a two game suspension because the realization hit that he was running a program that was never going to be sufficiently pro player in an NIL environment to be competitive.

Hiring the right football coach is a high stakes game. Arguably of equal importance to that of a university President. UVA has made the wrong hire. This is not to say he isn't a good coach. He likely is. But his background is in getting 4 and 5 star future NFL guys to play at Clemson. Now he has to develop two and three stars at an school which presents academic challenges for a number of players. He won't have time or the right focus to develop these players (a better fit would be to be a NFL assistant coach), and UVa's football program will suffer. In the short run it doesn't matter because UVa will collect ACC money, but in the long run the NCAA may consolidate into a super league and teams like UVa with a mediocre record will be left out. Heck so will Duke and NU and Stanford, with programs like UNC on the precipice (basketball doesn't take you very far). One can only imagine the huge headache that football is to university presidents. My mentor at Duke left Duke to become President at SMU after their death penalty football scandal. He was willing to put football in the right frame, meaning that SMU was consigned to having DIII level talent for years. But he wanted SMU to be a university, and not a football team with a university attached. I don't think this could be done today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

In what sense ?

Northwestern's rate of admission is about 7% and NU is ranked in the top 10 by US News.

Northwestern's location is great and its setting on the shore of Lake Michigan is gorgeous.

Easy access by train to Chicago.

Diverse campus regarding both academic offerings and students.

Endowment is among the top 10 among all US colleges & universities.

Incredible grad schools as well.

I’ve noticed there’s a very vocal anti-Northwestern contingent here on dcum for heavens know why

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“…in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden……

…and that’s why they aren’t very good in football. Next.

Wasn’t Duke better than Northwestern last year?

Duke is in the ACC, a weaker league than the Big 10. Their AD should not be viewed as a diversity hire. She is very good and attracts good coaches. Background from Notre Dame. I would not say the same for NU's current AD. Perhaps he can grow into the job.

Football is a numbers game. NU - by virtue of being a 1-11 team in the Big 10 - received 59 million in payouts. They are not giving up football.

The SEC's deal going forward is sweeter than the Big 10. Imagine you are Florida State - a school that historically runs on football. You wake up to find that the ACC is economically mediocre and that your in-state rival Florida is going to receive in the future 40 million more each year from SEC dollars than FSU. That puts Florida in a position where they can spend and initiate NIL deals to get the best de facto pro team they can get. No small matter to FSU. Of course FSU wants in the SEC but there is an over $100M buyout to the ACC to leave - and the SEC won't accept them (or Clemson) unless those issues are flattened. How does this relate to NU? Look at the numbers - no way NU is volunatirly not playing football or leaving the Big 10. Look I think there's something wrong with NU's sports culture - I never experienced any form of hazing as a scholarship athlete at Duke (although there were other imperfections). But money still talks - Fitz got fired two days after receiving a two game suspension because the realization hit that he was running a program that was never going to be sufficiently pro player in an NIL environment to be competitive.

Hiring the right football coach is a high stakes game. Arguably of equal importance to that of a university President. UVA has made the wrong hire. This is not to say he isn't a good coach. He likely is. But his background is in getting 4 and 5 star future NFL guys to play at Clemson. Now he has to develop two and three stars at an school which presents academic challenges for a number of players. He won't have time or the right focus to develop these players (a better fit would be to be a NFL assistant coach), and UVa's football program will suffer. In the short run it doesn't matter because UVa will collect ACC money, but in the long run the NCAA may consolidate into a super league and teams like UVa with a mediocre record will be left out. Heck so will Duke and NU and Stanford, with programs like UNC on the precipice (basketball doesn't take you very far). One can only imagine the huge headache that football is to university presidents. My mentor at Duke left Duke to become President at SMU after their death penalty football scandal. He was willing to put football in the right frame, meaning that SMU was consigned to having DIII level talent for years. But he wanted SMU to be a university, and not a football team with a university attached. I don't think this could be done today.

You know very little about SMU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

Yes, it is. It's a waste of $ to even apply. I wouldn't bother or waste my money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

Yes, it is. It's a waste of $ to even apply. I wouldn't bother or waste my money.

Was your kid rejected?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

In what sense ?

Northwestern's rate of admission is about 7% and NU is ranked in the top 10 by US News.

Northwestern's location is great and its setting on the shore of Lake Michigan is gorgeous.

Easy access by train to Chicago.

Diverse campus regarding both academic offerings and students.

Endowment is among the top 10 among all US colleges & universities.

Incredible grad schools as well.

I’ve noticed there’s a very vocal anti-Northwestern contingent here on dcum for heavens know why

We all know the reason... it's the same for all schools that are highly rejective. Once that rejection letter rolls around, students and parents alike change their tune on a school.

[Anonymous]

I doubt it makes any difference on # of applicants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

In what sense ?

Northwestern's rate of admission is about 7% and NU is ranked in the top 10 by US News.

Northwestern's location is great and its setting on the shore of Lake Michigan is gorgeous.

Easy access by train to Chicago.

Diverse campus regarding both academic offerings and students.

Endowment is among the top 10 among all US colleges & universities.

Incredible grad schools as well.

I’ve noticed there’s a very vocal anti-Northwestern contingent here on dcum for heavens know why

The opposite for me - I've noticed a lot of boosters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

How do you overhype a T10 university?

And, as PP pointed out, so many unique qualities and top programs.

What's not to hype? (Other than the swarms of flies in spring).

From what I've seen here on DCUM, there are a lot of posts about NU trying to elevate the school to the level of HYP while dissing those schools ranked slightly below it (at least on USNWR). It may be a small group of posters posting over and over again but still it gets quite tiresome. If NU is so great, there's really no need to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is overhyped here on DCUM.

How do you overhype a T10 university?

And, as PP pointed out, so many unique qualities and top programs.

What's not to hype? (Other than the swarms of flies in spring).

From what I've seen here on DCUM, there are a lot of posts about NU trying to elevate the school to the level of HYP while dissing those schools ranked slightly below it (at least on USNWR). It may be a small group of posters posting over and over again but still it gets quite tiresome. If NU is so great, there's really no need to do that.

Actually it is that great and NU has been consistently in the T10-15 for over 3 decades. Unlike many of the other T20 schools, it has the top notch music and theater departments. So it attracts a slightly different crowd (at least for 10-15% of the students) than most T20 schools.