Northwestern

[Anonymous]

Will it be easier to get in this admission season bc of the hazing problems?

[Anonymous]

LOL no. In fact, if your kid plays football, they have plenty of open spots now.

[Anonymous]

My kid's school has a 0% admission rate so it only can go up!

[Anonymous]

Only taking kids from Chicago this year. Sorry!

[Anonymous]

No. I doubt it will dissuade people from applying. Nor should it. The football hazing does not reflect the culture of the school. And while shocking and troubling, it sadly is not unique among sports programs. Or fraternities for that matter. Plenty of schools have similar issues, whether it’s been publicized or not.

[Anonymous]

Sadly no, may fall from the top 10 in USNWR rankings due to a changes in how schools are evaluated.

Personally don’t see draw but many have a different opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I doubt it will dissuade people from applying. Nor should it. The football hazing does not reflect the culture of the school. And while shocking and troubling, it sadly is not unique among sports programs. Or fraternities for that matter. Plenty of schools have similar issues, whether it’s been publicized or not.

Agree with this. It seems far removed ftom most students' campus experiences. Football was not even on the radar for mine when she was deciding a couple years ago. She was concerned about major and minor courses, professors, cohort, campus appeal, dorms etc. Also, the entitled athletes (not a snap judgment-- the guide explained this to us, but without "entitled " thst was my addition) nearly running us down on mopeds are hard to miss at accepted students day on campus, so I doubt this would make much difference.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I doubt it will dissuade people from applying. Nor should it. The football hazing does not reflect the culture of the school. And while shocking and troubling, it sadly is not unique among sports programs. Or fraternities for that matter. Plenty of schools have similar issues, whether it’s been publicized or not.

Agree with this. It seems far removed from most students' campus experiences. Football was not even on the radar for mine when she was deciding a couple years ago. She was concerned about major and minor courses, professors, cohort, campus appeal, dorms etc. Also, the entitled athletes (not a snap judgment-- the guide explained this to us, but without "entitled " thst was my addition) nearly running us down on mopeds are hard to miss at accepted students day on campus, so I doubt this would make much difference. [/quote



]I was raised 15 miles away from Northwestern. Evanston High School's coach - a former Olympic medalist and a great leader - would permit me to use their facilities as he was that well respected. I got to know the campus well. Football hasn't really been on the radar for decades. There is a reason that the plans for the new stadium (apparently on hold now) call for seating 35,000 - an incredibly small attendance capacity for the Big 10, one of the two major football conferences in the country. I am friends with a long time coach there and while he thinks the athletic department will financially suffer from the scandal as they will have a dearth of talent in the short run in football - which pays for everything - it won't impact admissions as too many want to go there. Look hazing is absolutely wrong and odious and has no place in college sports - particularly at a place like Northwestern, and I never saw it in my sport but the head coach's precipitous downfall was in not paying attention to a positive player culture in the era of NIL, which essentially makes NCAA football a professional sport. I am not sure where schools like NU, Duke and Stanford will go with NIL. Football already is a huge burden to the academic mission and having to recruit business sponsors just to get kids to play - with unfortunately limited rules around the arrangements - is something that is not a great fit for schools like this - in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden, but obtaining NIL deals for 25 football players to get players talent above 2 stars invites a much higher level of abuse. And with the permissive transfer rules, 25 guys may not cut it - a never ending cycle of recruiting.

To give on an idea of just what NIL can do, look at Hailey Van Lith in basketball. A very good student, she enrolled at Louiisville, a school that until recently really struggled academically. She finished in three years, and allegedly through NIL deals worth up to 5 million dollars. She is 5'7 and may not make the WNBA - a league with far too few teams. She could have gone to Stanford and been at least in the hunt for a NCAA title, but opted to make even more money playing at LSU for Kim Mulkey. I don't begrudge her at all, but the DCUM culture for the most part can't relate to turning down a free Stanford graduate degree. LSU is one of the least regarded flagship schools academically, although one can do well from there - and Van Lith's choice - a very savvy player and person by all accounts - speaks volumes about the state of the NCAA. She can make far more money at LSU than in the WNBA.

I was D1 scholarship guy and All American several times. I was in an Olympic sport and can't imagine ever gaining a NIL deal - I did get free gear and shoes, more than I could ever use. If NIL existed, back then though, I would have been cheering the football team to get NIL deals - I tutored some of these guys. It is obvious that even with a bad team in a major conference - and I was in one - what paid the freight. No big conference payouts without football. NU will get calls from some faculty and students to drop football - it won't happen. You don't get Izzy Scane and a D1 women's lacrosse championship without football. While one can dismiss women's lacrosse - I don't and like it very much - the team has a high grade point average and is often televised on ESPN, where their fields - indoor and outdoor - are showcased and being right on Lake Michigan are great advertisements for the school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. I doubt it will dissuade people from applying. Nor should it. The football hazing does not reflect the culture of the school. And while shocking and troubling, it sadly is not unique among sports programs. Or fraternities for that matter. Plenty of schools have similar issues, whether it’s been publicized or not.

Agree with this. It seems far removed from most students' campus experiences. Football was not even on the radar for mine when she was deciding a couple years ago. She was concerned about major and minor courses, professors, cohort, campus appeal, dorms etc. Also, the entitled athletes (not a snap judgment-- the guide explained this to us, but without "entitled " thst was my addition) nearly running us down on mopeds are hard to miss at accepted students day on campus, so I doubt this would make much difference. [/quote



]I was raised 15 miles away from Northwestern. Evanston High School's coach - a former Olympic medalist and a great leader - would permit me to use their facilities as he was that well respected. I got to know the campus well. Football hasn't really been on the radar for decades. There is a reason that the plans for the new stadium (apparently on hold now) call for seating 35,000 - an incredibly small attendance capacity for the Big 10, one of the two major football conferences in the country. I am friends with a long time coach there and while he thinks the athletic department will financially suffer from the scandal as they will have a dearth of talent in the short run in football - which pays for everything - it won't impact admissions as too many want to go there. Look hazing is absolutely wrong and odious and has no place in college sports - particularly at a place like Northwestern, and I never saw it in my sport but the head coach's precipitous downfall was in not paying attention to a positive player culture in the era of NIL, which essentially makes NCAA football a professional sport. I am not sure where schools like NU, Duke and Stanford will go with NIL. Football already is a huge burden to the academic mission and having to recruit business sponsors just to get kids to play - with unfortunately limited rules around the arrangements - is something that is not a great fit for schools like this - in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden, but obtaining NIL deals for 25 football players to get players talent above 2 stars invites a much higher level of abuse. And with the permissive transfer rules, 25 guys may not cut it - a never ending cycle of recruiting.

To give on an idea of just what NIL can do, look at Hailey Van Lith in basketball. A very good student, she enrolled at Louiisville, a school that until recently really struggled academically. She finished in three years, and allegedly through NIL deals worth up to 5 million dollars. She is 5'7 and may not make the WNBA - a league with far too few teams. She could have gone to Stanford and been at least in the hunt for a NCAA title, but opted to make even more money playing at LSU for Kim Mulkey. I don't begrudge her at all, but the DCUM culture for the most part can't relate to turning down a free Stanford graduate degree. LSU is one of the least regarded flagship schools academically, although one can do well from there - and Van Lith's choice - a very savvy player and person by all accounts - speaks volumes about the state of the NCAA. She can make far more money at LSU than in the WNBA.

I was D1 scholarship guy and All American several times. I was in an Olympic sport and can't imagine ever gaining a NIL deal - I did get free gear and shoes, more than I could ever use. If NIL existed, back then though, I would have been cheering the football team to get NIL deals - I tutored some of these guys. It is obvious that even with a bad team in a major conference - and I was in one - what paid the freight. No big conference payouts without football. NU will get calls from some faculty and students to drop football - it won't happen. You don't get Izzy Scane and a D1 women's lacrosse championship without football. While one can dismiss women's lacrosse - I don't and like it very much - the team has a high grade point average and is often televised on ESPN, where their fields - indoor and outdoor - are showcased and being right on Lake Michigan are great advertisements for the school.

Thanks for this.
Really interesting athlete perspective

[Anonymous]

It's not limited to football. A volleyball player is also suing.

[Anonymous]

My kid graduated from NU a few years ago. Most students there couldn’t care less about sports. Look at the size of the “student section” at their home football games. I’ve seen more people at a family reunion. Even among the few that attended football games it was common to leave at halftime to go back to studying. Some students didn’t know that NU was in the Big 10, or didn’t know what the Big 10 was. This is NOT Ohio State. Or even Purdue.

[Anonymous]

“…in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden……

…and that’s why they aren’t very good in football. Next.

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Anonymous wrote:“…in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden……

…and that’s why they aren’t very good in football. Next.

Wasn’t Duke better than Northwestern last year?

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Anonymous wrote:“…in Duke's case, NIL for three basketball players a year is not that much of a burden……

…and that’s why they aren’t very good in football. Next.

Duke made it to the military bowl last year at beat UCF. They’re not too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Will it be easier to get in this admission season bc of the hazing problems?

My guess is that it will be even more difficult to gain admission to Northwestern. Too much publicity.

However, the Duke lacrosse scandal did deter many whom I knew from applying to Duke--and the "lacrosse scandal" was a complete fraud.

Wait & see what happens.