I have hard time to relate to it

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Simple question - if no one is harming you and simply living their lives - WHY DO YOU CARE? Unless you have some unresolved issues of your own that you can't come to terms with for whatever reason.

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Anonymous wrote:OP- you could substitute any type of activism here. I have a friend who is an activist for animal rights, it can come across the same way. If people want to have normal, adult friendships, they should use their emotional intelligence and be able to discuss other topics.
Happy to support someone in their cause, but some people become their cause, and it can be difficult to spend time with them.

I was thinking the same thing. During the holocaust Jews wouldn’t stop complaining about concentration camps being and during slavery those damn slaves kept trying to obtain freedom. If certain groups of people would just accept that they are inferior it would make it much easier to like them.

Perfect example of Godwin’s law in this thread.., 🙃

The Nazi’s started by burning books at the institute of sexology. This was the first place transgender bottom surgery was performed and it was the leading research institutes in the world into LGBT issues at the time. Later, the Nazi’s began arresting LGBT people and placing them into concentration camps. This was YEARS before Jewish people were being persecuted by Nazi’s. Now we see books being banned in FL and laws making it so you can’t say gay “for the kids up to third grade”. “Oh did we say third grade? We meant all of high school.” While it does not parallel Nazi’s precisely, DeSantis absolutely has that type of propensity inside of him.

Again, what happened in Nazi Germany was not all about you. Indeed, I doubt the transgender people in Nazi Germany thought that they were women. They were gay men, some of whom crossdressed.

What happened to them was an atrocity. It is not a story you get to appropriate because Florida and, again, it's highly offensive that you try.

Dos Santis is a monster with or without his attack on trans medical services. Sadly, he is a smart monster who knows he can tribalize people quite easy with social issues like this, as you're always willing to go to the mat to defend drag queen storytime and bathrooms.

Neither of which matter, btw. If you want to return to Godwin, I have to point out Hitler gained a lot of ground with ridiculous culture wars too. The example you "should" take from history is not that you are yet another person in a long line who are the most persecuted ever (which is also not true), but that one does not win fighting monsters on their own turf.

Change the narrative. Dos Santis is going after health care, he is corrupt AF, has the personal morals of an alley cat, has extremely dodgy funding, doesn't practice any of the traditional values he preaches, etc. Etc.

You win by attacking here, not playing the victim. And it is playing, for you. You're not in Florda, right?

Identifying patterns and relating similarity is not appropriation. Under your understanding of appropriation the lgbt community would have to wait until they were literally being exterminated before they connect the two events. That offends holocaust remembrance.

Your problem with my connecting them earlier than literally mass extermination is that it is terrifying. De Santis and Florida are creating a consistently worsening environment for lgbt people with no indication that we are approaching a peak.

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Anonymous wrote:OP- you could substitute any type of activism here. I have a friend who is an activist for animal rights, it can come across the same way. If people want to have normal, adult friendships, they should use their emotional intelligence and be able to discuss other topics.
Happy to support someone in their cause, but some people become their cause, and it can be difficult to spend time with them.

Others jumped over this post but I get it. I understand completely what this person is saying.

My mom died of breast cancer when I was 22. Prior she battled the disease for 8 years - some periods she was doing pretty well and other times it was all utterly awful. She became so singularly focused on her health care, on her cancer friends from support group, on all the walks and fundraisers and the advocacy and I really did understand that for her that is what she needed to do to manage it all. But here is the thing, during it all I missed her desperately. If she wasn't able to talk "cancer" she barely could talk with me or my siblings about anything else. She was enmeshed with all things cancer and there was no room for anything or anyone else. And my family and I tried over and over to break through and connect with her but to no avail. I am 51 years old now and it still feels like we lost her years before she died.

All this to say, sometimes when someone becomes so focused on one area of their lives, no matter how critical and how integral to their core that area is, they do not leave room for anyone else.

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[identifying patterns and relating similarity is not appropriation. Under your understanding of appropriation the lgbt community would have to wait until they were literally being exterminated before they connect the two events. That offends holocaust remembrance.

Your problem with my connecting them earlier than literally mass extermination is that it is terrifying. De Santis and Florida are creating a consistently worsening environment for lgbt people with no indication that we are approaching a peak.]

You are making connections that don't exist, which is offensive, but understandable as you're obviously quite worked up about Florida, this place where you don't live, which is, according to your deranged train of thought, about to turn get death camps and Mengele on all gay people.

We agree that DeSantis is a threat to America. And specifically to Florida and its citizens. I don't agree with anything he's done, and I think you'll find that is true of nearly everyone. However, with your mock hysteria and insistence on bringing Nazis into it, you're centering yourself, again, a person not directly affected by anything, into a narrative that has nothing to do with you. Instead of standing in solidarity with the people of Florida who oppose DeSantis, you're creating a heroic journey for yourself, pre-emptively comparing your fate to the fate of murdered Jews, homosexuals, and others exterminated by Hitler. If centering yourself in someone else's tragedy isn't appropriation, Id like to know what you think is.

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OP here. I just read the animated discussion of the last few days. I leave the comparison with the shoa to historians (I personally find it a bit of a stretch) but I totally agree with the pp talking about their mom and cancer.
I recently engaged with my friend and It is clear that we are quickly growing apart. Will miss them but life is made of changes and I still hope at some point we may reconnect again to a deeper level. Good luck to them with their own battles