bad fights at Frost MS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An asst principal at Glasgow was also injured in a fight:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/04/13/just-in-rumors-of-student-bringing-gun-to-glasgow-ms-lead-to-boost-in-police-presence/

I don’t think students are being disciplined enough for fighting at school.

Students are not being disciplined period.

[Anonymous]

A kid at Burke chased a teacher through the office and punched her in the back of the head a few weeks ago. Another teacher there was out for weeks with a concussion after being punched by a kid. Lots of teachers have bruises and bite marks on a regular day. When I started teaching, this would never have been tolerated. Principals are supposed to call law enforcement, and teachers need to press charges.

Now that we can’t stop kids from leaving a room or the building, it is even worse. Kids run all over the place. Since FCPS won’t put kids with mental health issues in day private schools that have restraint or seclusion, they stay in our schools, because there aren’t other places to go. We used to send a lot of kids to Phillips, but not allowed anymore. There aren’t enough options for really troubled, aggressive kids.

[Anonymous]

The above posters are spot on. The kids who are getting in these fights and assaulting staff are almost always Tier 2 or Tier 3 in MTSS or whatever they're calling it nowadays and have pages of discipline referrals. If anything the referrals are under counted and underreported in the majority of these cases because teachers are fatigued by the endless cycle of reporting, being chastised for reporting, finally getting a meeting about the student, and then being told to start a sticker chart and collect 6 weeks worth of data before there's even a chance the base school will hold another meeting to consider discussing another placement which the parents are likely to reject anyway. Meanwhile the kid is tearing up the room, screaming throughout class, and attempting to start fights every day. It gets really bad by middle school because hormones are raging and everyone has a phone and can record and air drop anything that happens within seconds of it happening. A lot gets covered up in elementary school because fewer kids have phones and administrators are able to downplay the severity of some of the cases.
A lot gets blamed on Covid but teachers and school staff nationwide have been sounding alarm bells about lack of discipline since before the pandemic. FCPS in particular started slipping about ten years ago and probably held out relatively longer than a lot of other school systems because we did have really good ED Centers and base schools weren't afraid to send students to them if they weren't available for learning in a regular classroom.

[Anonymous]

It started with the implementation of restorative justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A kid at Burke chased a teacher through the office and punched her in the back of the head a few weeks ago. Another teacher there was out for weeks with a concussion after being punched by a kid. Lots of teachers have bruises and bite marks on a regular day. When I started teaching, this would never have been tolerated. Principals are supposed to call law enforcement, and teachers need to press charges.

Now that we can’t stop kids from leaving a room or the building, it is even worse. Kids run all over the place. Since FCPS won’t put kids with mental health issues in day private schools that have restraint or seclusion, they stay in our schools, because there aren’t other places to go. We used to send a lot of kids to Phillips, but not allowed anymore. There aren’t enough options for really troubled, aggressive kids.

I will never understand the FCPS legal agreement about restraint and seclusion. They removed so many options.

It's a tough time for teachers.

[Anonymous]

Until teachers and parents start pressing charges, nothing will change bc FCPS isn’t going to do anything. It’s awful for students and teachers.

[Anonymous]

In the past 20 years the number of juveniles who are confined in the juvenile justice system has declined by 70% nationwide. Many of these students assaulting teachers and other students would have been incarcerated 20 years ago. Now nothing happens.

[Anonymous]

And yet teachers who complain about these trends support candidates who make “equity” and “inclusion” their main priorities, which lead to the problems about which they later complain. The buzzwords have consequences - a lack of discipline, academic rigor, and accountability, and “restorative justice” rather than discipline.

[Anonymous]

So to go back to the Frost MS issue- I am not sure how a white kid that has caused two big fights at Frost this year is somehow part of equity and inclusion issues? He is violent and should be expelled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So to go back to the Frost MS issue- I am not sure how a white kid that has caused two big fights at Frost this year is somehow part of equity and inclusion issues? He is violent and should be expelled.

What? If policies that allow for decreased discipline and accountability because of concern for unintended URM consequences are put into place, this affects all students and will lead to poor behavior for everyone.

[Anonymous]

There is a huge difference when a minority child is labeled disruptive in class or disciplined differently from peers with the same hyperactive behavior then a kid who is violent and putting kids in the hospital. Especially when the violent kid is white, has financial means and involved parents. He is intentionally being treated better because of his skin color.

[Anonymous]

So basically the kids do what they want at frost because the school's hands are tied??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically the kids do what they want at frost because the school's hands are tied??

I don't think their hands are tied- I think the administration is knowingly letting this happen and not using consequences. Also, the principal is on medical leave and they brought into a principal who retired 10 years ago. what could go wrong?

[Anonymous]

This is the issue I have with Cobra Kai. In later seasons they upped the fighting, and the kids generally face no consequences.

[Anonymous]

If they are urm they will not expel