bad fights at Frost MS

[Anonymous]

Those in power to do anything about these problems will simply continue to do nothing, so why bother discussing this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The police don't do anything about violence in FCPS. There was an a/b at Langley, and they did nothing, in the interest of "Restorative Justice". There was a drug dealer at Langley, and they were quietly moved to another school. Parents need to know that FCPS' purpose is to sweep matters under the rug, and blame the victims. I would go to the local news, they will help you - not the police.

I don’t understand. Does restorative justice apply to the justice system as well as schools? Like if there is evidence—they won’t even charge a kid?

Restorative justice has nothing to do with the justice system. It is applied internally by school personnel.

No. The perpetrator sits in a room with the victim and apologizes to the victim. The victim is revictimized as the victim is required to participate.
The victim accepts the apology.

This is in lieu of suspensions as too many minority males were suspended for behavioral issues nationwide. Administrators and teachers are discouraged from suspending students and are evaluated on how many suspensions they have and suspensions are tracked by race. It is meant to be a good thing if minority males are not being suspended.

Restorative justice was started during the Obama years to replace detentions and suspensions and calling parents into the office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have charges been pressed against the kid?

I have no idea. I hope the other parents have pressed charges against the kid and the school. There are rumors that a school resource officer witnessed the events that led up to the fight and did not step in.

However, there are a ton of rumors right now- fueled by no communication from the school. The violent kid is definitely back at school today but the injured kid is not.

My son is at Frost, and based on this post I asked him about this yesterday, and he hadn't heard of a fight at all. So I don't think there are as many rumors going around as widely as you think.

With respect, this is the big news at Frost this week. Many aren’t classifying it as a fight but bone(s) were broken. It happened in front of multiple other students and kids are talking.

What is the solution if not to move to another school? Expel him forever so that he never gets an education? That doesn’t seem like a great move—seems like a sure fire way to increase the number of inmates in jail down the line.

it is the only thing being talked about among the 8th graders. Kids know who saw it happen, what happened, that the kid is back at school, etc....I am sure the school appreciates that tomorrow is a holiday.

If that punishment is moving kids to other schools, doesn’t the cycle just repeat at new school?

I think it is terrible to move him to another school but would be happy for it for personal reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police don't do anything about violence in FCPS. There was an a/b at Langley, and they did nothing, in the interest of "Restorative Justice". There was a drug dealer at Langley, and they were quietly moved to another school. Parents need to know that FCPS' purpose is to sweep matters under the rug, and blame the victims. I would go to the local news, they will help you - not the police.

I don’t understand. Does restorative justice apply to the justice system as well as schools? Like if there is evidence—they won’t even charge a kid?

Restorative justice has nothing to do with the justice system. It is applied internally by school personnel.

No. The perpetrator sits in a room with the victim and apologizes to the victim. The victim is revictimized as the victim is required to participate.
The victim accepts the apology.

This is in lieu of suspensions as too many minority males were suspended for behavioral issues nationwide. Administrators and teachers are discouraged from suspending students and are evaluated on how many suspensions they have and suspensions are tracked by race. It is meant to be a good thing if minority males are not being suspended.

Restorative justice was started during the Obama years to replace detentions and suspensions and calling parents into the office.

This is an example of a "classic biased account."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police don't do anything about violence in FCPS. There was an a/b at Langley, and they did nothing, in the interest of "Restorative Justice". There was a drug dealer at Langley, and they were quietly moved to another school. Parents need to know that FCPS' purpose is to sweep matters under the rug, and blame the victims. I would go to the local news, they will help you - not the police.

I don’t understand. Does restorative justice apply to the justice system as well as schools? Like if there is evidence—they won’t even charge a kid?

Restorative justice has nothing to do with the justice system. It is applied internally by school personnel.

No. The perpetrator sits in a room with the victim and apologizes to the victim. The victim is revictimized as the victim is required to participate.
The victim accepts the apology.

This is in lieu of suspensions as too many minority males were suspended for behavioral issues nationwide. Administrators and teachers are discouraged from suspending students and are evaluated on how many suspensions they have and suspensions are tracked by race. It is meant to be a good thing if minority males are not being suspended.

Restorative justice was started during the Obama years to replace detentions and suspensions and calling parents into the office.

Of course he knows zero effective consequences will exasperate the circus. I guarantee you his daughters’ school would not tolerate this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Usually the violent middle schoolers are moved to the Burke alternative school.

Not anymore. Burke is de-staffing a bunch of people and other schools are also de-staffing ED teachers. Parents should be outraged and asking a lot of questions. If you find out this is happening at your child's school you should make a lot of noise even if it doesn't directly impact your family. It will directly impact your child's learning experience if kids like this can't get the support they need.

[Anonymous]

This student is getting a unique treatment. Parents should ask why- with FCPS there is always a reason.

[Anonymous]

Parents should write administration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Usually the violent middle schoolers are moved to the Burke alternative school.

Not anymore. Burke is de-staffing a bunch of people and other schools are also de-staffing ED teachers. Parents should be outraged and asking a lot of questions. If you find out this is happening at your child's school you should make a lot of noise even if it doesn't directly impact your family. It will directly impact your child's learning experience if kids like this can't get the support they need.

We have a lot in ES that NEED those ED classrooms.....these kids need more and the other kids in the class need calm positive learning environments. We should all be appalled and concerned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parents should write administration.

Why exactly? They clearly don’t care.
Why should administrators care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should write administration.

Why exactly? They clearly don’t care.
Why should administrators care?

They care if a parent puts a safety concern about another student in writing. They do not want something on record that could make them look culpable if things really come to a head like in Newport News.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should write administration.

Why exactly? They clearly don’t care.
Why should administrators care?

They care if a parent puts a safety concern about another student in writing. They do not want something on record that could make them look culpable if things really come to a head like in Newport News.

They did not seem to care about the child choked on the school bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usually the violent middle schoolers are moved to the Burke alternative school.

Not anymore. Burke is de-staffing a bunch of people and other schools are also de-staffing ED teachers. Parents should be outraged and asking a lot of questions. If you find out this is happening at your child's school you should make a lot of noise even if it doesn't directly impact your family. It will directly impact your child's learning experience if kids like this can't get the support they need.

They are closing Burke or limiting capacity? Yikes. Considering the lonh waiting lists at the private day schools and the schools fcps cant place kids anymore due to restraint, that is really disturbing. These kids need to be somewhere.0

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents should write administration.

Why exactly? They clearly don’t care.
Why should administrators care?

They care if a parent puts a safety concern about another student in writing. They do not want something on record that could make them look culpable if things really come to a head like in Newport News.

I don’t know that writing a safety concern letter to the administrators has made a difference in the past five years. Any examples?

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Anonymous wrote:A kid at Burke chased a teacher through the office and punched her in the back of the head a few weeks ago. Another teacher there was out for weeks with a concussion after being punched by a kid. Lots of teachers have bruises and bite marks on a regular day. When I started teaching, this would never have been tolerated. Principals are supposed to call law enforcement, and teachers need to press charges.

Now that we can’t stop kids from leaving a room or the building, it is even worse. Kids run all over the place. Since FCPS won’t put kids with mental health issues in day private schools that have restraint or seclusion, they stay in our schools, because there aren’t other places to go. We used to send a lot of kids to Phillips, but not allowed anymore. There aren’t enough options for really troubled, aggressive kids.

I will never understand the FCPS legal agreement about restraint and seclusion. They removed so many options.

It's a tough time for teachers.

Many are leaving

Military school remains a great option for boys with behavior issues. The teachers there are strong male influences and kids learn to be proud of themselves by gaining useful life skills, as well as what they learn intellectually. The physical aspects of military school help the kids channel their excess rage and energy.