Yes, it’s only teen *boys* that spend a lot of time on their phones. |
Agreed. Whatever is going on with men is going to be a real problem moving forward. It will need to be addressed constructively. Given that men are 49% of the US population, we do need them. |
No, it’s clearly everyone, but the manifestations look different depending on who we’re talking about. |
Considering most college students are women and most college drop outs are men, I don't really expect to see this reverse any time soon. Most of the jobs that men fell back to are becoming automated so that they need fewer humans doing the same amount of work.
At this point, I think it might be prudent to figure out a solution to these problems. Maybe start all boys in Kindergarten at 6 or 7 instead of 5 or 6. Then by the time they reach college they can actually be mature enough to complete it. |
With liberation comes natural change. |
Whenever a demographic trend favors women it's because of their own virtue and competence. Whenever it favors men it's "systemic". We need to start getting way more nuanced about these things. This reductive framing isn't going to cut it. |
For years, posters have pointed to the college stats as an indicator of a huge problem, societally and for each DCUM family's DS and DD. And for years, other posters have dismissed any concern by pointing to CEOs and the president. This is a huge issue and yours is the first proposal I've seen to address it. I'm not sure if I agree with your proposal but it's an interesting idea and is worth considering. |
+1 boys especially need to interact more because they aren't that great at it in the first place. I really wish the schools would implement a no phone policy during school hours like some schools have done. One Principal noted how most kids during lunch were just staring at the phone and not interacting. So, he implemented a no phone policy. He then saw how kids would actually sit around during lunch and talk to each other. I used to scoff at those social skill classes, but for boys, maybe it's not such a bad idea. I have a 17 yr old DS, who was a bit socially awkward and loved computer games in ES/MS. We told DS to socialize more, and restricted computer gaming when DS was younger. Turns out, he actually would prefer socializing than playing on his computer, but so many boys didn't want to get together and socialize. He has a GF now and told me that so many boys are so awkward and don't know how to talk to girls. It starts young. Get your DS off their computers. And actually, in HS and college, if they want to meet a girl, tell them to join the drama club. |
Apex fallacy at its finest. It's a huge problem. |
It’s this. Different answers to “are you in a committed relationship?”. |
You realize this overlaps, at least somewhat, with women "dating" the same guys right? |
Males and females are different. Males need to wait to go to school because they develop later and slower. Girls mature, start, and finish puberty faster. I don't think having a society with a large number of listless young men unable to find employment or partners is healthy. |
I do think the answer is with men. My dh was raised by his parents to be a full partner: work, cook, clean, love children, remember holidays. So many men just weren't. They basically think all they need to do is get a job. Showing up doesn't count anymore for men. Women do it all and men need to step up. I'm raising my sons to do better. I have both sons and daughters and I also think schools play a role. They are geared towards girls who sit better and don't need as much activity. |
You think this is a bad thing? |
Schools have more movement, moving around, and movement breaks than they did when we were in school. I think the problem is the opposite, that schools expect a lot from girls but have low expectations of boys and low requirements. And therefore low results. |