Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White House, DoD, IC and others seriously need to fix their whole classification program, to keep much better track of what documents are checked out by whom, where they currently are, when they are due back, ensuring they are returned when due back, and tracking whether or not they were downgraded/declassified, by whom, when, and by what authority.

This horsecrap makes one think there are middle school libraries that do a better job of managing check-in-check-out than our federal government does.

Also need to fix what they classify and why. They often even classify stuff that's open source and widely known. Or, they don't declassify stuff that's already been leaked, which is like keeping the barn locked after the horses already escaped. Instead of trying to boil the ocean they need to focus on the stuff that really matters.

I'll bet you that of the handful of documents they found in Biden's files, most hasn't actually even been secret for years.

[Anonymous]

They should be held to the same standards as the worker bees on these documents, whether its equally lenient or equally harsh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's going on is this is a nothingburger (and I'm a hard Democrat).

When people are expected to work at all hours and be on the clock where ever they are, as many or all politicians are, THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THINGS HOME THAT THEY SHOULDN'T.

It happens all.the.time. At all levels of government. It just does.

It sounds like Pence, like Biden, is cooperating. And UNLIKE Trump.

+1 on all counts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should be held to the same standards as the worker bees on these documents, whether its equally lenient or equally harsh.

I got fired from the IC for something that didn’t even get close to rising to the level of mishandling a document marked as classified. I talked to my parents about current events in the news in my personal email. Security knew about it because we were entitled to sign into our personal email at work. Security decided the emails were classified and fired me.

I know someone who got fired for talking to a journalist about something that had nothing to do with national security in any way shape or form. They reported the contact anyway, out of an abundance of caution, and was fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point, there's no indication this is anything other than a mistake. It is bad? Yes. Is it a crime? Probably not. Unfortunately, classified information is not handled with the care it should be in the WH and other high level executive offices. It is very different for the peons at lower levels.

It actually is a crime, anyone with a clearance can tell you that. Whether they are actually held accountable is a different story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, there's no indication this is anything other than a mistake. It is bad? Yes. Is it a crime? Probably not. Unfortunately, classified information is not handled with the care it should be in the WH and other high level executive offices. It is very different for the peons at lower levels.

It actually is a crime, anyone with a clearance can tell you that. Whether they are actually held accountable is a different story.

They won’t be, even though they’d 100% be fired and likely charged if they were worker bees.

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).

A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).

And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?

Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.

Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.

Not really. Some crimes just require negligence.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if Dick Durbin will say that Pence’s stature is “diminished”.

Should we expect a deep-dive from The NY Times as well?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, there's no indication this is anything other than a mistake. It is bad? Yes. Is it a crime? Probably not. Unfortunately, classified information is not handled with the care it should be in the WH and other high level executive offices. It is very different for the peons at lower levels.

It actually is a crime, anyone with a clearance can tell you that. Whether they are actually held accountable is a different story.

I have a clearance and I'm a lawyer. Feel free to provide the statute you think was violated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point, there's no indication this is anything other than a mistake. It is bad? Yes. Is it a crime? Probably not. Unfortunately, classified information is not handled with the care it should be in the WH and other high level executive offices. It is very different for the peons at lower levels.

It actually is a crime, anyone with a clearance can tell you that. Whether they are actually held accountable is a different story.

They won’t be, even though they’d 100% be fired and likely charged if they were worker bees.

Fired, yes. Charged, not a chance.

[Anonymous]

I’ve got to ask. When they find random classified papers that no one is missing or cares about - why don’t they just burn them?

[Anonymous]

OMG - I don't need any more crap at my house. If my husband "retired" or finished a government job such as POTUS or VPOTUS I'd say, "keep that shat somewhere else" we don't need anything else in the garage.
How is this stuff found in someone's home? Is it next to the treadmill? sewing machine? yoga mat?

[Anonymous]

It’s only a big deal if Tucker Carlin’s screams about it on his silly show. 😂

Agree that this is nothing. Lots of people have this type of stuff in their homes in DC and suburbs. Next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).

A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).

And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?

Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.

Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.

The law does’t seem to matter to the Foxified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).

A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).

And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?

Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.

Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.

The law does’t seem to matter to the Foxified.

I know for a fact that intent doesn’t matter when it comes to mishandling classified information, at least as far as being fired over it is concerned. You don’t even have to mishandle anything marked as classified. Security can just decide it’s classified, even if it’s out there in open source.