Is is possible to ask for phone calls to be recorded?

[Anonymous]

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You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No

You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

Because the judge has decided that he can not see them outside of specific supervised situation, and has written that into both the custody order and the protective order. I'm not "refusing" to let him see the kids. I'm expecting him to follow the law.

[Anonymous]

Do you have an order of protection? I would speak to your lawyer about whether you should seek one for stalking behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you have an order of protection? I would speak to your lawyer about whether you should seek one for stalking behaviors.

Yes, and the kids are named in it too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you have an order of protection? I would speak to your lawyer about whether you should seek one for stalking behaviors.

Yes, and the kids are named in it too.

Ok, then I would tell the kids not to answer questions about you, and that it’s ok to say they don’t want to or end the call when he brings it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No

You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

Did you even read the first post?

Op there was a clause in my BIL's order that stated that his ex wife was not to ask the kids questions about their dad. Another person had a clause that neither parent was to ask/discuss the other with the kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No

You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

Because the judge has decided that he can not see them outside of specific supervised situation, and has written that into both the custody order and the protective order. I'm not "refusing" to let him see the kids. I'm expecting him to follow the law.

The law? Him asking what is going on is not the law. File contempt and go back to court. Simple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No

You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

Because the judge has decided that he can not see them outside of specific supervised situation, and has written that into both the custody order and the protective order. I'm not "refusing" to let him see the kids. I'm expecting him to follow the law.

The law? Him asking what is going on is not the law. File contempt and go back to court. Simple.

Him taking them to activities like you suggested is against the law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No

You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

Did you even read the first post?

Op there was a clause in my BIL's order that stated that his ex wife was not to ask the kids questions about their dad. Another person had a clause that neither parent was to ask/discuss the other with the kids.

A clause like that is only helpful if there is a way to enforce it, which is why I want the conversations scheduled.

[Anonymous]

OP, maybe it’s time for your kid to have an individual therapist? That person can help uou kid learn to set boundaries, give permission that it’s OK nog to answer Dad’s questions, etc. Uour kid is going to have to navigate these uncomfortable safety issues for the rest of his life with his dad. A therapist can help him build the skills and confidence now.

[Anonymous]

I am only guessing (lawyer who practices in a different area) but I think requiring consent to record would be difficult because it’s essentially requiring ex to waive a civil right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am only guessing (lawyer who practices in a different area) but I think requiring consent to record would be difficult because it’s essentially requiring ex to waive a civil right.

Are phone calls a civil right?

[Anonymous]

Why is any of this happening via phone call, vs. being court-ordered through MFW or similar?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is any of this happening via phone call, vs. being court-ordered through MFW or similar?

I am not sure I understand what you are asking? Are you asking why my kid is calling his dad? What is MFW?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No

You say this based on experience, or you're guessing?

Because there are laws on recording. If you want to stop the calls, stop them. Don't play games.

I am asking about having court order that calls go through a co-parenting app. The law requires that all parties be notified and consent to being recorded but the apps definitely make sure that happens.

Just stop the calls vs. all the drama.

That could get her in trouble with the court.

What is the point of recording them? What do you think you would do with the recordings? It’s not like a judge will care if your ex is asking your kid about your interactions with other men.

He has a history of figuring out where I am, or where the kids are when they aren’t with me (e.g. if they are at a sports practice) and “accidentally” showing up there and behaving in ways that qualify as stalking. So, being able to go back and say “Oh, actually I can prove he did know that we were going to that church service” would be helpful.

Also, implying to my kid that I might be having sex with his married coach or his friends’ fathers or whatever (something that only happens in his head) is totally inappropriate.

Plus it’s evidence that he’s not ready for unsupervised time if he can’t have a 5 minute conversation about an easy topic like a game.

Why not let him see the kids more and take them to activities if you cannot? Your relationship is separate from the kids. If you are refusing to let him see the kids, how else can he see them but to show up. You just want to cut him out. Just do it and stop playing games.

Did you even read the first post?

Op there was a clause in my BIL's order that stated that his ex wife was not to ask the kids questions about their dad. Another person had a clause that neither parent was to ask/discuss the other with the kids.

A clause like that is only helpful if there is a way to enforce it, which is why I want the conversations scheduled.

Yeah the enforcement part is a farce, but having it in the order shows that there is a problem. It's a step.

If your ex is like many others, he will find a way around it. My nephews and niece started telling their mom "the judge said not to talk about that", but they were pretty young.

I think you need actual legal advice on the recordings, OP. Sorry you and your kids are dealing with this.