picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone post the link to the tweet, please!

It was deleted.

At this point, all five of them have publicly apologized. Of course, many don't view that as enough and will never do so. Indeed, nothing, not even voluntarily being driven over by a late model BMW on Connecticut Ave will be enough. Their profanity was the crime of the century and they shall be deprived of grace and forgiveness for their insolence.

Just because you have apologized should not insulate you from criticism of your behavior.

At what point can people move on, though? Drunkenly flicking off a silly* sign on the biggest night of their lives isn't exactly the Trumpish malfeasance some want it to be. They did something bad. They got caught. They apologized. The argument that they only apologized because they were caught is absurdly circular. People only apologize when they are called out on their actions.

Should they take some heat? Absolutely. Should everything they do from hereon (in an elected unpaid role) be tainted? Nope.


* the bike lanes are coming, regardless of this ANC or any other Ward 3 ANC. Spending money to defeat city hall on a minor something city hall wants to do is futile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone post the link to the tweet, please!

It was deleted.

At this point, all five of them have publicly apologized. Of course, many don't view that as enough and will never do so. Indeed, nothing, not even voluntarily being driven over by a late model BMW on Connecticut Ave will be enough. Their profanity was the crime of the century and they shall be deprived of grace and forgiveness for their insolence.

All five had not apologized until last night when Pagatts spit out a “I’m sorry you were offended” apology at the ANC meeting only under pressure. She later insulted everyone’s intelligence by saying people shouldn’t make assumptions about her intent in the photo because she could have been flipping off the sign because she didn’t like its graphic design.

If you want forgiveness and grace for insolence, it helps to stop being insolent. It would have been a very different meeting if the chair had not tried to remove the resolution from the agenda behind the scenes, which just called more attention to it when the move was revealed, and the two commissioners involved in the photo asked for time at the outset to apologize and to vow to do better going forward.

The photo and tweet was only the most visible / widely distributed example of the sentiments expressed by a number of the commissioners and commissioners-elect against anyone in the neighborhood who doesn’t fully agree with their vision, which is why it continues to be a lightning rod. It wasn’t a one-off, “election night exuberance” mistake, it was a very public reflection of the way they feel about their constituents. Last night was a missed opportunity to show growth and build confidence in the incoming commission.

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The chair didn't remove the item from the agenda, he did not place the item on the agenda in the first instance because he felt it violated the Commission's rules. He made it clear how de felt about the behavior (condemned it) but had a strange commitment to doing things by the book when it would have been easier to just let the commission disapprove of the commissioners.

[Anonymous]

Cleveland Park's gonna Cleveland Park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it's too bad former Chair MacWood used her last meeting after 22 years to salt the earth to prevent the incoming ANC from getting anything done. Her legacy hasn't been great for the District, but she seemed to be classy enough to not go full sour grapes. Being in the minority for 2 years seems to have broken her.

We're all quite lucky to be done with Commissioner Maureen Boucher. Regardless of where anyone stood on any issue, she stood more firmly on a misunderstanding than anyone else. There were times when she was treasurer where there seemed to be genuine concern that commissioners might go to jail due to her incompetence. Her refusal to admit publicly that ANC 3C had something like $10,000 stolen from it through false checks would have been amusing if it hadn't had been so sad. On top of that, the videos of ANC 3C show her jumping in, confused, on many issues.

I don’t think we were at the same meeting. At every turn, MacWood showed grace and class, and continued to lend her expertise. In contrast, Beau Finley, the chair, withdrew the resolutions honoring MacWood for her 22 years of service to the community and another retiring commissioner’s 16 years of service in a petty, retaliatory fit of pique when his ruling about the commissioner behavior resolution was overturned. When another commissioner reintroduced the resolutions honoring the service, the chair abruptly turned off Zoom, removing everyone from the meeting. Eventually the other commissioners returned to Zoom and reconvened, but Finley and Pagatts did not. It’s not about bike lanes or the configuration of Connecticut Avenue, but about the temperament and ethics of those who are serving and whether we can have confidence in their decision making. Commissioner Siddiqui should be given credit for showing back up and continuing the meeting. He has potential if he can detach himself from some of those around him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So glad I don’t live in DC any more. Barf.

+1 the free fall of dc continues apace

[Anonymous]

She fits right in with the entitled and rude behavior of the middle aged men in overpriced spandex brigade.

[Anonymous]

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I don’t think we were at the same meeting. At every turn, MacWood showed grace and class, and continued to lend her expertise. In contrast, Beau Finley, the chair, withdrew the resolutions honoring MacWood for her 22 years of service to the community and another retiring commissioner’s 16 years of service in a petty, retaliatory fit of pique when his ruling about the commissioner behavior resolution was overturned. When another commissioner reintroduced the resolutions honoring the service, the chair abruptly turned off Zoom, removing everyone from the meeting. Eventually the other commissioners returned to Zoom and reconvened, but Finley and Pagatts did not. It’s not about bike lanes or the configuration of Connecticut Avenue, but about the temperament and ethics of those who are serving and whether we can have confidence in their decision making. Commissioner Siddiqui should be given credit for showing back up and continuing the meeting. He has potential if he can detach himself from some of those around him.

Isn't that up to the voters to decide?

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Anonymous wrote:What they did was really bad and they should be recalled. This is the way of the ANC. They have their agenda, push their issues and exclude everyone else. I am not sure it was the anti bike sign or they did did not care for the owner of the shop.

I really do not think you or anyone else will be heard. These ANCs are very “behind closed doors” and putting up hurtles to stop you. You most likely will be barred or excluded from future meets. I am with you. Good luck but watch your back! Do not trust them to be fair.

The resolution is sponsored by a longstanding ANC commissioner from
Cleveland Park.

Given it wasn't an emergency, then the proper form would have been to include it in the original agenda for the meeting, with proper public notice. That she didn't do that here is the tell. She of ALL people should have known better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The chair didn't remove the item from the agenda, he did not place the item on the agenda in the first instance because he felt it violated the Commission's rules. He made it clear how de felt about the behavior (condemned it) but had a strange commitment to doing things by the book when it would have been easier to just let the commission disapprove of the commissioners.

For decades, Cleveland Park residents, including Ms. MacWood, prior to her becoming an ANC Commissioner, were upset that the ANC didn't post an agenda, and didn't notice residents properly. And agenda is an agenda for a reason. Of all people, Ms. MacWood and her followers, should know that unless it is a dire emergency, altering an agenda at the last minute is not in the public interest. Given that these actions had been known for a month, it would have been very easy to get this resolution on the agenda in an appropriate and legal amount of time. She didn't do that. Her bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone post the link to the tweet, please!

It was deleted.

At this point, all five of them have publicly apologized. Of course, many don't view that as enough and will never do so. Indeed, nothing, not even voluntarily being driven over by a late model BMW on Connecticut Ave will be enough. Their profanity was the crime of the century and they shall be deprived of grace and forgiveness for their insolence.

All five had not apologized until last night when Pagatts spit out a “I’m sorry you were offended” apology at the ANC meeting only under pressure. She later insulted everyone’s intelligence by saying people shouldn’t make assumptions about her intent in the photo because she could have been flipping off the sign because she didn’t like its graphic design.

If you want forgiveness and grace for insolence, it helps to stop being insolent. It would have been a very different meeting if the chair had not tried to remove the resolution from the agenda behind the scenes, which just called more attention to it when the move was revealed, and the two commissioners involved in the photo asked for time at the outset to apologize and to vow to do better going forward.

The photo and tweet was only the most visible / widely distributed example of the sentiments expressed by a number of the commissioners and commissioners-elect against anyone in the neighborhood who doesn’t fully agree with their vision, which is why it continues to be a lightning rod. It wasn’t a one-off, “election night exuberance” mistake, it was a very public reflection of the way they feel about their constituents. Last night was a missed opportunity to show growth and build confidence in the incoming commission.

Well said. Now let’s see the Pagatts supporters attack you for not supporting bike lanes. How did people like these worm their way in to elected positions? They seem a lot like Trump supporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone post the link to the tweet, please!

It was deleted.

At this point, all five of them have publicly apologized. Of course, many don't view that as enough and will never do so. Indeed, nothing, not even voluntarily being driven over by a late model BMW on Connecticut Ave will be enough. Their profanity was the crime of the century and they shall be deprived of grace and forgiveness for their insolence.

Anyone can see it right here.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/anc-commi...showing-middle-finger/3216192/

At about 1:14

It is disgusting. This is an attack on a long time business owner by elected officials. Everyone know these clowns will do everything in their power to destroy that business. Could it be that they did not like his accent? As an elected official you are supposed to build consensus and work with your constituents. Not publicly give them the finger and post it. There is no defense of this action. It just shows hate, intolerant and disrespect for others. I can not believe people are defending these people. What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Well said. Now let’s see the Pagatts supporters attack you for not supporting bike lanes. How did people like these worm their way in to elected positions? They seem a lot like Trump supporters.

By having the largest numbers of voters vote for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone post the link to the tweet, please!

It was deleted.

At this point, all five of them have publicly apologized. Of course, many don't view that as enough and will never do so. Indeed, nothing, not even voluntarily being driven over by a late model BMW on Connecticut Ave will be enough. Their profanity was the crime of the century and they shall be deprived of grace and forgiveness for their insolence.

Just because you have apologized should not insulate you from criticism of your behavior.

At what point can people move on, though?

They will move on once the Bike lanes on CT ave idea is dropped.

And that's another reason to fight them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone post the link to the tweet, please!

It was deleted.

At this point, all five of them have publicly apologized. Of course, many don't view that as enough and will never do so. Indeed, nothing, not even voluntarily being driven over by a late model BMW on Connecticut Ave will be enough. Their profanity was the crime of the century and they shall be deprived of grace and forgiveness for their insolence.

Anyone can see it right here.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/anc-commi...showing-middle-finger/3216192/

At about 1:14

It is disgusting. This is an attack on a long time business owner by elected officials. Everyone know these clowns will do everything in their power to destroy that business. Could it be that they did not like his accent? As an elected official you are supposed to build consensus and work with your constituents. Not publicly give them the finger and post it. There is no defense of this action. It just shows hate, intolerant and disrespect for others. I can not believe people are defending these people. What is wrong with you?

It's an attack on a sign, not the business or the owner. Stop being hyperbolic, it undermines your weak arguments.