Do you think ACPS will ever be held accountable for sexual assault at MH like LCPS?

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The sexual assaults in LCPS were misdemeanors. School officials have discretion to not report if perpetrator is a special needs student. Not enough facts are known about the MH rape but it’s unlikely any laws were broken. Even if the incident was reportable, the failure to report is what? A violation that incurs civil penalties? It won’t be a good when the district will have to face an investigation from the Commonwealth’s AG’s office but it was already a bad look to disclose so little information to the community. The district is not held to account because the city’s residents will not elect a school board that will demand transparency and other changes.

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Anonymous wrote:With the LCPS former superintendent being charged, I am wondering if the former superindtendent and our board chair who doesn't send her kids to ACPS will ever be held accountable.

The LCPS superintendent wasn’t charged with anything related to sexual assault in schools

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

Is this sarcasm, or are you just ignorant of what actually happened out in LCPS?

Misspelling the county name points to ignorance

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

[Anonymous]

I'd say that Alexandria as at least of 75% chance of Ziegler being the next ACPS super.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

from wtop:

The first indictment against Ziegler charges that he “did knowingly and willfully state, deliver or transmit by any means whatever to any publisher, or employee of a publisher, of any newspaper, magazine, or other publication or to any owner, or employee of an owner, of any radio station, television station, news service or cable service, any false and untrue statement, knowing the same to be false or untrue, concerning any person or corporation, with intent that the same shall be published, broadcast or otherwise disseminated.”

It says he made the statement June 22, 2021. That’s the day of the Loudoun County School Board meeting that a raucous discussion of the sexual assaults made nationwide headlines. The special grand jury report said a witness testified that Ziegler told “a bald-faced lie” when he said at the meeting “to my knowledge we don’t have any record of assaults happening in our bathrooms” a month after such an assault had just happened.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

As quoted he says "no sexual assaults" he later back tracked during the meeting and said no assaults by transgender/gender fluid students. The rapist was wearing a skirt and blouse. His mother said that he's "pan sexual" and described gender fluid behavior.

If you don't think these charges are appropriate or correct, what do you think the remedy should have been for a school district that failed to report the rape to the state as required by law? For the people who knowingly did that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

As quoted he says "no sexual assaults" he later back tracked during the meeting and said no assaults by transgender/gender fluid students. The rapist was wearing a skirt and blouse. His mother said that he's "pan sexual" and described gender fluid behavior.

If you don't think these charges are appropriate or correct, what do you think the remedy should have been for a school district that failed to report the rape to the state as required by law? For the people who knowingly did that?

I think the responsibility for this mess ultimately lies with the LCSO and not so much the schools.

I also think that things said on the dais don't really fall under the category of "deliberate lying" especially given the clarification. The assailant wasn't transgender. And he most certainly wasn't some transgendered student wearing skirts to gain illicit access to a girl's bathroom so he could lay in wait and attack someone at random. I think this is splitting hairs. Not well handled by the superintendent, for sure, but not criminal. And I think the desperation to hang such a weak charge on him validates the accusation that this is a partisan crusade by people who are actually upset about transgendered people who, ironically, are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

As quoted he says "no sexual assaults" he later back tracked during the meeting and said no assaults by transgender/gender fluid students. The rapist was wearing a skirt and blouse. His mother said that he's "pan sexual" and described gender fluid behavior.

If you don't think these charges are appropriate or correct, what do you think the remedy should have been for a school district that failed to report the rape to the state as required by law? For the people who knowingly did that?

I think the responsibility for this mess ultimately lies with the LCSO and not so much the schools.

I also think that things said on the dais don't really fall under the category of "deliberate lying" especially given the clarification. The assailant wasn't transgender. And he most certainly wasn't some transgendered student wearing skirts to gain illicit access to a girl's bathroom so he could lay in wait and attack someone at random. I think this is splitting hairs. Not well handled by the superintendent, for sure, but not criminal. And I think the desperation to hang such a weak charge on him validates the accusation that this is a partisan crusade by people who are actually upset about transgendered people who, ironically, are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence.

I'm horrified that a girl was raped in a bathroom, the school/district didn't report it, they moved the rapist who then went on to rape another girl. And obviously a lot of other people are horrified by that too. I find it very sad that the rapes and parent responses to that horror would be simply dismissed as some sort of political anti-trans conspiracy theory rather than two horrible rapes and a school district that lied about it and did nothing to protect girls.

The rape of the girls at school is beyond awful (especially since a teacher walked in on the first one and then walked out) and so was the cover up.

It may be hard to come to terms with what the school district did but the reaction to it it shouldn't be dismissed as some anti-trans conspiracy. That's a really awful conclusion to come to about fellow parents and human beings.

The girls were raped. LCPS covered it up. Just like a girl was raped at Minnie Howard and ACPS and the City government covered it up.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

As quoted he says "no sexual assaults" he later back tracked during the meeting and said no assaults by transgender/gender fluid students. The rapist was wearing a skirt and blouse. His mother said that he's "pan sexual" and described gender fluid behavior.

If you don't think these charges are appropriate or correct, what do you think the remedy should have been for a school district that failed to report the rape to the state as required by law? For the people who knowingly did that?

I think the responsibility for this mess ultimately lies with the LCSO and not so much the schools.

I also think that things said on the dais don't really fall under the category of "deliberate lying" especially given the clarification. The assailant wasn't transgender. And he most certainly wasn't some transgendered student wearing skirts to gain illicit access to a girl's bathroom so he could lay in wait and attack someone at random. I think this is splitting hairs. Not well handled by the superintendent, for sure, but not criminal. And I think the desperation to hang such a weak charge on him validates the accusation that this is a partisan crusade by people who are actually upset about transgendered people who, ironically, are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence.

I'm horrified that a girl was raped in a bathroom, the school/district didn't report it, they moved the rapist who then went on to rape another girl. And obviously a lot of other people are horrified by that too. I find it very sad that the rapes and parent responses to that horror would be simply dismissed as some sort of political anti-trans conspiracy theory rather than two horrible rapes and a school district that lied about it and did nothing to protect girls.

The rape of the girls at school is beyond awful (especially since a teacher walked in on the first one and then walked out) and so was the cover up.

It may be hard to come to terms with what the school district did but the reaction to it it shouldn't be dismissed as some anti-trans conspiracy. That's a really awful conclusion to come to about fellow parents and human beings.

The girls were raped. LCPS covered it up. Just like a girl was raped at Minnie Howard and ACPS and the City government covered it up.

DP. I'm not entirely sure what your point is with your post. You seem to be holding the school, the district (does that mean the superintendent, the principal, the teacher, or just anyone and everyone?) responsible for a boy who is a predator. Schools are supposed to take care of students (all students) but they're not prisons (and conditions in prisons are not something I want my children to be in). I guess you're happy that Ziegler has been charged with ... something, anything.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

As quoted he says "no sexual assaults" he later back tracked during the meeting and said no assaults by transgender/gender fluid students. The rapist was wearing a skirt and blouse. His mother said that he's "pan sexual" and described gender fluid behavior.

If you don't think these charges are appropriate or correct, what do you think the remedy should have been for a school district that failed to report the rape to the state as required by law? For the people who knowingly did that?

I think the responsibility for this mess ultimately lies with the LCSO and not so much the schools.

I also think that things said on the dais don't really fall under the category of "deliberate lying" especially given the clarification. The assailant wasn't transgender. And he most certainly wasn't some transgendered student wearing skirts to gain illicit access to a girl's bathroom so he could lay in wait and attack someone at random. I think this is splitting hairs. Not well handled by the superintendent, for sure, but not criminal. And I think the desperation to hang such a weak charge on him validates the accusation that this is a partisan crusade by people who are actually upset about transgendered people who, ironically, are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence.

I'm horrified that a girl was raped in a bathroom, the school/district didn't report it, they moved the rapist who then went on to rape another girl. And obviously a lot of other people are horrified by that too. I find it very sad that the rapes and parent responses to that horror would be simply dismissed as some sort of political anti-trans conspiracy theory rather than two horrible rapes and a school district that lied about it and did nothing to protect girls.

The rape of the girls at school is beyond awful (especially since a teacher walked in on the first one and then walked out) and so was the cover up.

It may be hard to come to terms with what the school district did but the reaction to it it shouldn't be dismissed as some anti-trans conspiracy. That's a really awful conclusion to come to about fellow parents and human beings.

The girls were raped. LCPS covered it up. Just like a girl was raped at Minnie Howard and ACPS and the City government covered it up.

DP. I'm not entirely sure what your point is with your post. You seem to be holding the school, the district (does that mean the superintendent, the principal, the teacher, or just anyone and everyone?) responsible for a boy who is a predator. Schools are supposed to take care of students (all students) but they're not prisons (and conditions in prisons are not something I want my children to be in). I guess you're happy that Ziegler has been charged with ... something, anything.

Yeah, I’m not following the logic either. And when parents talk about a coverup regarding the MH incident, what do they mean? What obligation does a school have to disclose to the general public? Who exactly are you saying they should have disclosed to and how is it a crime?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. And the parents here in Alexandria will not band together and fight and make an actual difference like they did in LCPS, ever, and it is pathetic. UMC Parents in ACPS think it will never happen to their kids, who apparently never see any fighting, who are never affected by all the ACPS problems, because they self segregate, are in self-appointed honors classes, and don't go to Bradlee after school.

They put a sign in their yard, join PTAC, and do whatever the school board and Wilson say. It is insane. A child, a 9th grader, was gang raped, which is on par, if not worse than what happened in Loudon. But there is no outrage, why? Because she was hispanic? because people think it was "crew" (aka gang) related? I don't know. But it severely bothers me that it was just allowed to be swept under the rug. So was the kid who was shot in the stomach and passed out in Duck Donuts, or the kid who was stabbed (on video) at Bradlee. Nothing changes. No real uproar. No parents demanding action at school board meetings, really demanding, like the father dragged out of the LCPS meeting of whom we have all seen the photo. No protests, No signs for that.

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If a white kid is a victim - then and only then will there be an uproar. But a white victim is highly unlikely bc non white kids know not to fool with white kids bc the white kids have parents with money and can demand action and lawyer up and the non white kids aren’t going to jail for some dumb white kid. And if you think this is made up or ridiculous, you haven’t lived in Alexandria City.

+5 trillion

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty terrible that the former superintendent has been charged. So I hope no other area is as awful as Loudon County is being.

It's absolute bs that he is being charged. This is sick political theater and he should sue.

Again, there is reasonable evidence that he broke the law. That's why he's been charged. If you think he is wrongly accused please explain why he didn't break the law.

I know that Alexandrians think it's fine when a bathroom rape is covered up but the reality is that it isn't.

You do understand the criminal charges against Ziegler have zero to do with covering up a bathroom rape, right?

Are you also familiar with the saying a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwhich?

Please explain why he is wrongly accused.

In the case of the retaliation charge, that's completely unrelated to the bathroom incidents at the high schools and it's obvious the teacher was fired for violating student privacy.

In the case of saying there had been no incidents involving transgender students sexually assaulting other students in bathrooms or locker rooms, that was true. No transgender students have assaulted other students in the bathrooms.

As quoted he says "no sexual assaults" he later back tracked during the meeting and said no assaults by transgender/gender fluid students. The rapist was wearing a skirt and blouse. His mother said that he's "pan sexual" and described gender fluid behavior.

If you don't think these charges are appropriate or correct, what do you think the remedy should have been for a school district that failed to report the rape to the state as required by law? For the people who knowingly did that?

I think the responsibility for this mess ultimately lies with the LCSO and not so much the schools.

I also think that things said on the dais don't really fall under the category of "deliberate lying" especially given the clarification. The assailant wasn't transgender. And he most certainly wasn't some transgendered student wearing skirts to gain illicit access to a girl's bathroom so he could lay in wait and attack someone at random. I think this is splitting hairs. Not well handled by the superintendent, for sure, but not criminal. And I think the desperation to hang such a weak charge on him validates the accusation that this is a partisan crusade by people who are actually upset about transgendered people who, ironically, are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence.

I'm horrified that a girl was raped in a bathroom, the school/district didn't report it, they moved the rapist who then went on to rape another girl. And obviously a lot of other people are horrified by that too. I find it very sad that the rapes and parent responses to that horror would be simply dismissed as some sort of political anti-trans conspiracy theory rather than two horrible rapes and a school district that lied about it and did nothing to protect girls.

The rape of the girls at school is beyond awful (especially since a teacher walked in on the first one and then walked out) and so was the cover up.

It may be hard to come to terms with what the school district did but the reaction to it it shouldn't be dismissed as some anti-trans conspiracy. That's a really awful conclusion to come to about fellow parents and human beings.

The girls were raped. LCPS covered it up. Just like a girl was raped at Minnie Howard and ACPS and the City government covered it up.

The problem is that the first rape wasn’t a cut-and-dry case. It started as a consensual encounter.