If your child did not submit SAT scores, where did they get in?

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Anonymous wrote:Top grades and ECs, got into W&M, but waitlisted st VT (com sci major). Rejected UVA.

Thanks, this is helpful

[Anonymous]

There is little to no correlation between SAT scores and performance in college. High school grades are highly predictive of grades in college. What SAT scores ARE correlated with is family SES. Wealthier families can pay for tutoring and counseling. So schools use tests as a way to screen for who can pay and who might need financial aid. They can assert that they are need blind, but as long as they are using SAT scores, they are including the likely ability to be full pay as part of their selection criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Need to include minority status. Schools have long sought to admit minorities without test scores. Lots of evidence that URMs benefited most from the new test optional policies last year.

Can we see this evidence?

[Anonymous]

Instead of conjecture, it would be really helpful if people only posted where their kid got in without submitting SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is little to no correlation between SAT scores and performance in college. High school grades are highly predictive of grades in college. What SAT scores ARE correlated with is family SES. Wealthier families can pay for tutoring and counseling. So schools use tests as a way to screen for who can pay and who might need financial aid. They can assert that they are need blind, but as long as they are using SAT scores, they are including the likely ability to be full pay as part of their selection criteria.

Wouldn’t zip code be a better proxy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is little to no correlation between SAT scores and performance in college. High school grades are highly predictive of grades in college. What SAT scores ARE correlated with is family SES. Wealthier families can pay for tutoring and counseling. So schools use tests as a way to screen for who can pay and who might need financial aid. They can assert that they are need blind, but as long as they are using SAT scores, they are including the likely ability to be full pay as part of their selection criteria.

Please provide a source to support your assertion. Otherwise, what you said has no credibility. Without source/support, I can claim whatever I want for my own interest.

[Anonymous]

From LoCo. 4.41 post junior year GPA. Average ECs (some DECA, NHS, sports). Applied as a business major

Accepted to Penn State, Virginia Tech, George Mason, and Wake Forest (ED 2)

Waitlisted from UMiami and Boston College

Rejected from UVA, Duke (ED), and Tulane

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From LoCo. 4.41 post junior year GPA. Average ECs (some DECA, NHS, sports). Applied as a business major

Accepted to Penn State, Virginia Tech, George Mason, and Wake Forest (ED 2)

Waitlisted from UMiami and Boston College

Rejected from UVA, Duke (ED), and Tulane

Did he have test scores or was never able to test? Great outcome. And probably would have had Tulane if wanted to ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is little to no correlation between SAT scores and performance in college. High school grades are highly predictive of grades in college. What SAT scores ARE correlated with is family SES. Wealthier families can pay for tutoring and counseling. So schools use tests as a way to screen for who can pay and who might need financial aid. They can assert that they are need blind, but as long as they are using SAT scores, they are including the likely ability to be full pay as part of their selection criteria.

Please provide a source to support your assertion. Otherwise, what you said has no credibility. Without source/support, I can claim whatever I want for my own interest.

DP: PP is only partially accurate. SAT/ACT scores ARE highly correlated with SES. But SAT scores are predictive of first year grades in college even controlling for SES and HS GPA. But they aren't that predictive of college graduation or college GPA after the first year. Also, both the relationships between GPA and standardized tests and college outcomes vary widely by high schools.

There are a lot of different studies that show different aspects of this so it's not that easy to cite one (or even just several). But if you're interested, just go to scholar.google.com, look in studies post 2016 or so (5 years is a good time to see recent enough impacts because they often have to work with earlier data) and type in socioeconomic status, standardized tests, college outcomes and see the range of studies. The key thing though is not to just go for the study that cherry picks the evidence for what you want to believe. The College Board for instance doesn't control for SES in many of its studies of SAT validity, and looks at first year GPA and 2nd year retention because that's where the SAT works. Those who are opposed to standardized tests focus on overall college GPA and college graduation rates and control for SES--often neglecting the positive findings of first year impacts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From LoCo. 4.41 post junior year GPA. Average ECs (some DECA, NHS, sports). Applied as a business major

Accepted to Penn State, Virginia Tech, George Mason, and Wake Forest (ED 2)

Waitlisted from UMiami and Boston College

Rejected from UVA, Duke (ED), and Tulane

Did he have test scores or was never able to test? Great outcome. And probably would have had Tulane if wanted to ED.

I'm surprised by the UMiami waitlist. Maybe a penalty for not having scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From LoCo. 4.41 post junior year GPA. Average ECs (some DECA, NHS, sports). Applied as a business major

Accepted to Penn State, Virginia Tech, George Mason, and Wake Forest (ED 2)

Waitlisted from UMiami and Boston College

Rejected from UVA, Duke (ED), and Tulane

Did he have test scores or was never able to test? Great outcome. And probably would have had Tulane if wanted to ED.

I'm surprised by the UMiami waitlist. Maybe a penalty for not having scores?

Or yield protection? Did they or Tulane ask if you’d like to switch to Ed 1 or 2?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is little to no correlation between SAT scores and performance in college. High school grades are highly predictive of grades in college. What SAT scores ARE correlated with is family SES. Wealthier families can pay for tutoring and counseling. So schools use tests as a way to screen for who can pay and who might need financial aid. They can assert that they are need blind, but as long as they are using SAT scores, they are including the likely ability to be full pay as part of their selection criteria.

Grades are correlated with how much your school inflates them.

[Anonymous]

Mount Luigi, full ride.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mount Luigi, full ride.

Whatevs

[Anonymous]

JMU

Accepted also @ CNU, GMU, VCU, ODU, RU