Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not an uncommon thing for an intruder or intruders to break into people's homes, and harm an occupant. It happens far more often than psycho parents who kill their own children using exotic means. We've even heard of cases where intruders got into an attic and lived in the house for an extended time. The probablity that a family member did this seems statitically smaller to me than an outside intruder. There were many possible entry points and times for an intruder to slip in. It could've even happened during the open house. It's too bad the BPD was so sloppy and allowed the crime scene to get contaminated. Sloppy techniques -- sloppy theories?

The Ramseys had everything going for them. They were naive about home security and overly trusting of people around them. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of mental illness or previous bizarre behavior from the parents. It seems quite a leap to think they'd concoct what happened, when they had plenty of money for therapists and lawyers to get Burke off the hook, especially at age 9. It seems farfetched to me to think that the family did this.

This is 100% false and statistics will back me up on that. You are far, FAR more likely to be injured/killed by someone you know, particularly in your own family, than an intruder. There is also pretty much no case of an intruder ever coming into a home, sneaking around for hours looking at bank statements, making pineapple snacks, and torturing and murdering a 6 year old in the basement before writing a 3 page ransom letter (10x the length of an average ransom note) that demands the family turn over money for a child who is already dead in the basement and the threats within (you will get a call at 10 am) never materialize. It literally does not happen like that.

The intruder could have done some of this while the Ramseys were away at the Christmas party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I meant was, *in this case* it seems less likely that a family member did it than an intruder, since there is no evidence of mental illness or bizarre or violent behavior from either of the parents before this incident.

That is still wrong because there was evidence of emotional issues because the brother was saving his poop and rolling it into grapefruit sized balls he was leaving in JonBenets bed and putting on her candy. Burke had also clobbered JonBenet with a golf club before. It is still less likely an intruder did it than anyone in this family.

I believe that in the interview for tmz, Lin Wood said that is false info. On the Dr. Phil Show, Burke said the golf club hit was accidental. JB came up behind him and he didn't see her when he was swinging the club.

Besides, he was 9. An age where he wasn't even able to be criminally charged. Why wouldn't the Ramseys just think they could pay for lawyers and therapists? Why go through all the trouble of staging a heinous crime scene and take any risk of being charged. They had so much to lose, and very little to gain by that.

It is not totally out of the realm of possiblity that they did this. People can do strange things. But I'm skeptical. What was shown on the Dr. Phil Show seemed much more credible to me than the CBS show. That's just my opinion; you don't have to agree.

I think they were overwhelmed, in complete despair over what had happened to their daughter and an enormous natural instinct to protect their surviving child kicked in. If this had been all about appearances, then Patsy would never have allowed her house to look so messy in crime scene photos. There would have been no poo ball in JonBenet's bed or on her candy, no unflushed toilet, no clothes laying on the floor, no food laying out in the kitchen. That would have all been tidied up.

I don't think that they were thinking straight. I think that John was protecting not just Burke but his wife, too. It was clearly an overwhelming nightmare for them.

[Anonymous]

It makes no sense, if they are so distraught, that they would write an elaborate 3 page note, when one page would've sufficed. And to use a garrote with its' elaborate knots. It was said the blow to the head already was enough to kill her. Why not just put a pillow over her head then?

I also am wondering now, since the note contained so many threats to kill JB if any calls were made to the PD, etc., if the killer was actually still in the house and overheard Patsy's call to the police? And then killed JB as he said he would. He knew it would still take a while for the police to show up. There was a 911 call said to have been made during the Christmas party, and no one owned up to it when the police arrived. It may have been Santa or someone else there timing the police response. (Read earlier posts) Santa used to be a college professor, and he was verbose.

[Anonymous]

She had been died long before 5am (I believe the estimates were between 12am and 2am, correct me if I am wrong and that the head injury occurred about 1 hour or 45minutes prior to the strangulation) though so that was before the police were called because it falls before Patsy and John awoke.

I believe their fear was that Burke would be institutionalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She had been died long before 5am (I believe the estimates were between 12am and 2am, correct me if I am wrong and that the head injury occurred about 1 hour or 45minutes prior to the strangulation) though so that was before the police were called because it falls before Patsy and John awoke.

I believe their fear was that Burke would be institutionalized.

+1 They immediately had his medical records sealed, which is telling. I also think Burke killed her, including the asphyxiation. The train track marks that cut her back were post-mortem. I believe the poor little girl was already dead when Patsy found her, and the panicked staging began.

[Anonymous]

To add - if you look at this as a murder it is a one of a kind crime. There was and still had never been an FBI case with the note and he body in the home at the same time. Why? Because if you want to get money from your actions, you don't kill before you receive it. The note is guided as a ransom note for money. From someone who wanted money. The person writing it would not have killed the person that was the only way for them to receive the money. They would not have gone thru the trouble of writing such a long note, sneaking in and out of a house, finding the child, lightly tying her wrists, stanguling, feeding her, hitting her over her head, breaking up the paint supply brush, finding the note pad, finding the sharpie, replacing them all back into the places they belonged and then leave without the money and without the child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She had been died long before 5am (I believe the estimates were between 12am and 2am, correct me if I am wrong and that the head injury occurred about 1 hour or 45minutes prior to the strangulation) though so that was before the police were called because it falls before Patsy and John awoke.

I believe their fear was that Burke would be institutionalized.

+1 They immediately had his medical records sealed, which is telling. I also think Burke killed her, including the asphyxiation. The train track marks that cut her back were post-mortem. I believe the poor little girl was already dead when Patsy found her, and the panicked staging began.

Yeah basically except they probably did not know he wasn't of age to be criminally prosecuted (he was very near 10) and that may have informed their choice more than fear of institutionalization. Either way the scene is so bizarre and unusual because these were panicked people inexperienced with anything like this who just made a decision and went with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It makes no sense, if they are so distraught, that they would write an elaborate 3 page note, when one page would've sufficed. And to use a garrote with its' elaborate knots. It was said the blow to the head already was enough to kill her. Why not just put a pillow over her head then?

I also am wondering now, since the note contained so many threats to kill JB if any calls were made to the PD, etc., if the killer was actually still in the house and overheard Patsy's call to the police? And then killed JB as he said he would. He knew it would still take a while for the police to show up. There was a 911 call said to have been made during the Christmas party, and no one owned up to it when the police arrived. It may have been Santa or someone else there timing the police response. (Read earlier posts) Santa used to be a college professor, and he was verbose.

The ransom note, the elaborate knots, the garrote, the violation with the paint brush were all intended to make the death look like something it wasn't and something that a 9 year old child could not have done.

If this had just been an intended death caused by a 9 year old there is no way that all of this information about this family would have been put out there. Most of us would never have heard of JonBenet. That doesn't mean that the Ramseys lives would not have been forever turned inside and out...it just would have been a less public matter.

[Anonymous]

^UNintended death

[Anonymous]

I don't know that it was the brother, but I do believe that the mom thought it was the brother.

I also think the brother is creepy as hell -- not the way he looks, but the way his eyes shift back and forth, like he is lying.

He may be lying about assaulting/killing his sister (although Josh Duggar assaulted his younger sisters so a total disgusting idea is now a possibility in my head) OR he may be lying about something else BUT he is definitely lying about something. I hope he lives no where near DC.

[Anonymous]

I think he also strangled her and patsy found her dead. Patsy wrote the note. I have no idea when John entered the picture. Maybe he had no idea until he found the body in the basement. Then he went into damage control mode. I initially thought he did the staging but it was Patsy's fibers in the duct tape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It makes no sense, if they are so distraught, that they would write an elaborate 3 page note, when one page would've sufficed. And to use a garrote with its' elaborate knots. It was said the blow to the head already was enough to kill her. Why not just put a pillow over her head then?

I also am wondering now, since the note contained so many threats to kill JB if any calls were made to the PD, etc., if the killer was actually still in the house and overheard Patsy's call to the police? And then killed JB as he said he would. He knew it would still take a while for the police to show up. There was a 911 call said to have been made during the Christmas party, and no one owned up to it when the police arrived. It may have been Santa or someone else there timing the police response. (Read earlier posts) Santa used to be a college professor, and he was verbose.

+1

Sad that people are vilifying Burke because he's a little odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have now seen excerpts of Burke's interview w/ Dr. Phil. Burke really gave me the creeps! WTH was up with that sick smile?! I had never before considered that he might actually be the murderer, but it seems very plausible after all that I've read over the past several weeks and then seeing him answer Dr. Phil's questions. Who seriously thought it would be a good idea for Burke to go on national TV? He certainly did not do himself any favors with that interview.

He is somewhere on the autism spectrum. He doesn't really understand social situations well, so he just tries to be pleasant by smiling. I've seen lots of people who have higher functioning ASD do that. Inappropriate affect is not uncommon and not a sign that he is a murdered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To add - if you look at this as a murder it is a one of a kind crime. There was and still had never been an FBI case with the note and he body in the home at the same time. Why? Because if you want to get money from your actions, you don't kill before you receive it. The note is guided as a ransom note for money. From someone who wanted money. The person writing it would not have killed the person that was the only way for them to receive the money. They would not have gone thru the trouble of writing such a long note, sneaking in and out of a house, finding the child, lightly tying her wrists, stanguling, feeding her, hitting her over her head, breaking up the paint supply brush, finding the note pad, finding the sharpie, replacing them all back into the places they belonged and then leave without the money and without the child.

Unless the plan was to not kill her, but things did not go according to plan.

[Anonymous]

Exactly! They would have had no reason before that night to know what the age of reason is/was or that he would not have been jailed or institutionalized. There was no Google to do a quick search on.