Why are people so upset about Common Core?

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Anonymous wrote:Use the search box at the top of the website. There is a lot of detail. Bottom line, teacher evaluation must be tied to student performance and common core standards must be adopted.

You can't give me the link? Why not?

Not that PP, but my direct impression is if you are not willing to so the homework the PP is asking you to do, then you have not researched this very well at all.

Why is the PP asking me to do homework? Am I in the PP's class?

Here is a good way to persuade people that you're right and you know what you're talking about: "The Race to the Top grants require states to adopt the Common Core standards. Look here on p. x of this link [link goes here], where it says, "[whatever]"."

Here is a bad way to persuade people: "The Race to the Top grants require states to adopt the Common Core standards. I refuse to supply any evidence to support my point. You can go look for it yourself."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www2.ed.gov/programs/racetothetop/index.html

If you want detail, there are many links to help you.

Here sweetie -- since you don't seem capable of finding the information to support you assertions, I will help you out, just this once.

The document you are looking for, as proof of your argument, is here

http://www2.ed.gov/programs/racetothetop/executive-summary.pdf

Now, go through it, figure out which page has the specifications you are asserting are being REQUIRED for Race to the Top finding.

Locate the page, locate the word REQUIRED (hint, that will be very hard to find, because it isn't there, but whatever) and copy it.

Okay?

Good luck!

She's a supporter of Common Core in the publics and teaches there. Don't expect too much

I'm confused by this comment.

I'm a supporter of Common Core, I teach in public schools, and the part in bold is from me.

I'm frustrated by the style of argument some (anti-common core) posters on this thread have... the "just find it, I'll wait"/vague question style.

I helped you out by actually linking to the document you needed to make your point.

Still haven't seen the reference though.

[Anonymous]

Here sweetie -- since you don't seem capable of finding the information to support you assertions, I will help you out, just this once.

The document you are looking for, as proof of your argument, is here

http://www2.ed.gov/programs/racetothetop/executive-summary.pdf

Now, go through it, figure out which page has the specifications you are asserting are being REQUIRED for Race to the Top finding.

Locate the page, locate the word REQUIRED (hint, that will be very hard to find, because it isn't there, but whatever) and copy it.

Okay?

Good luck!

I sincerely hope you are not a teacher. The snark on here is incredible.

[Anonymous]

I sincerely hope you are not a teacher. The snark on here is incredible.

OOPS! Just saw that you ARE a teacher. I sure hope you don't make those comments to your students, "Sweetie".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Use the search box at the top of the website. There is a lot of detail. Bottom line, teacher evaluation must be tied to student performance and common core standards must be adopted.

You can't give me the link? Why not?

Not that PP, but my direct impression is if you are not willing to so the homework the PP is asking you to do, then you have not researched this very well at all.

Why is the PP asking me to do homework? Am I in the PP's class?

Here is a good way to persuade people that you're right and you know what you're talking about: "The Race to the Top grants require states to adopt the Common Core standards. Look here on p. x of this link [link goes here], where it says, "[whatever]"."

Here is a bad way to persuade people: "The Race to the Top grants require states to adopt the Common Core standards. I refuse to supply any evidence to support my point. You can go look for it yourself."

+1. Who the hell has time to go on a wild goose chase to find evidence of another PP's conspiracy?

[Anonymous]

+1. Who the hell has time to go on a wild goose chase to find evidence of another PP's conspiracy?

Okay, I'll play. Could you please provide some evidence that the Common Core will improve the education of students. Thanks so much.

[Anonymous]

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The federal government is already using CC as a means to control education in the states. It is called "Race to the Top".

How is the federal government controlling education in the states through "Race to the Top"? How much of "Race to the Top" are the Common Core standards?

I suggest you go to the DofED website and read Race to the Top. Getting federal money is totally tied to common core. It will only get worse.

Could you please tell me exactly where to look on the Department of Education website for the requirements for Race to the Top grant funding?

Actually, ideally, you would tell me exactly where to look, and you would summarize the requirements. "Totally tied to" is not really very informative.

So out of curiosity I opened a grant application form the race to the top website. It's 100 pages so I did a document word search for Common Core and it found no results. Funny how it's "totally tied" to Common Core without mentioning it once!

Thanks for wasting our time, PP.

So unless you find the words CC, that's all you have for your 'research'? Is that how you teach your students to research?

Think stimulus package. Now work from there.

Lol, now I'm supposed to go look at the stimulus package? You are a piece of work, and no, I don't have time for your scavenger hunt. Again, if RAcr to the Top is so completely tied to Common Core, why is it not mentioned even once in a 100 pg document? Are we supposed to be reading between the lines or something?

Seems like this would be a good opportunity for you to demonstrate you skills at writing an argumentative essay. Siny telling us to fish around is not even remotely convincing anyone that you know what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Argh stupid auto correct- Simply, not Siny.

[Anonymous]

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+1. Who the hell has time to go on a wild goose chase to find evidence of another PP's conspiracy?

Okay, I'll play. Could you please provide some evidence that the Common Core will improve the education of students. Thanks so much.

Wrong game.

[Anonymous]

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+1. Who the hell has time to go on a wild goose chase to find evidence of another PP's conspiracy?

Okay, I'll play. Could you please provide some evidence that the Common Core will improve the education of students. Thanks so much.

Too obvious. When you don't like the questions, change the conversation.

We can certainly have that conversation if you want. Please start a new thread.

[Anonymous]

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When materials for CC are developed by the same people writing the standards AND the same people creating the tests, including the SATs and ACT, you can easily see the potential for corruption of the highest level. This is why I say, you THINK as a teacher you will have control over how you teach the standards, but you will not.

The fact your only sources for anything you post is the standards themselves, is like referencing whitehouse.gov or anything Jay Carney says when you get your news. It's short-sighted and frankly, not terribly deep. You don't seem to want to look any deeper at all, which is rather robotic. More power to you - glad my children aren't involved with you in the schools in any way.

All right, we clearly have a problem that is not capable of being solved in this online discussion.

My perspective: When you are having a discussion about Common Core State Standards and how they have been developed, you look to the source documents (the Common Core State Standards, the Memorandum of Agreement, etc.) to back up your claims.

Your perspective: When you are having said discussion, you "dig deeper" by quoting news articles and blogs that other people have written, misinterpreting said source documents. And you refuse to back up any of your claims, except with "proof by vehement assertion" or "proof by vague ominous pronouncements) (just you wait! follow the money)

I honestly am at a loss as how to have an argument with someone who makes a claim about what the standards say, then refuses to accept as a valid source, the standards themselves.

If my way or argument (backing up with links to authentic sources) is troublesome to you, I can well believe that you would not want your children in my class, or indeed, in any class where critical thinking is taught.

[Anonymous]

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Here sweetie -- since you don't seem capable of finding the information to support you assertions, I will help you out, just this once.

The document you are looking for, as proof of your argument, is here

http://www2.ed.gov/programs/racetothetop/executive-summary.pdf

Now, go through it, figure out which page has the specifications you are asserting are being REQUIRED for Race to the Top finding.

Locate the page, locate the word REQUIRED (hint, that will be very hard to find, because it isn't there, but whatever) and copy it.

Okay?

Good luck!

I sincerely hope you are not a teacher. The snark on here is incredible.

I'm only snarky to grownups, which, presumably you are. (If you are a child posting here about Common Core, God help us all.)

[Anonymous]

Why are people so upset about Common Core?

#1. It hasn't been tested and proven to be effective.

[Anonymous]

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Why are people so upset about Common Core?

#1. It hasn't been tested and proven to be effective.

That's an argument to never, ever do anything new.

[Anonymous]

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Why are people so upset about Common Core?

#1. It hasn't been tested and proven to be effective.

How does one test and prove it to be effective?