Why are people so upset about Common Core?

[Anonymous]

How does one test and prove it to be effective?

The way any other research is tested and proven. You set up a pilot program. Then you test and evaluate. It doesn't happen overnight.

[Anonymous]

Also, you must remember to have a control group.

[Anonymous]

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How does one test and prove it to be effective?

The way any other research is tested and proven. You set up a pilot program. Then you test and evaluate. It doesn't happen overnight.

What?! You want our children to be guinea pigs?! No, no, no, we can't have that.

[Anonymous]

What?! You want our children to be guinea pigs?! No, no, no, we can't have that.

So, you'd rather go wholesale with a program that has not been tested, is going to cost tons of money, and will line the pockets of large publishing companies who line the pockets of politicians.

[Anonymous]

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What?! You want our children to be guinea pigs?! No, no, no, we can't have that.

So, you'd rather go wholesale with a program that has not been tested, is going to cost tons of money, and will line the pockets of large publishing companies who line the pockets of politicians.

No. The Common Core is bad, because it hasn't been tested, so our children are guinea pigs! But when the Common Core is tested (for example, the field tests for PARCC), that is also bad, because our children are guinea pigs! Therefore, either way, the Common Core is bad. It's an airtight and irrefutable argument.

[Anonymous]

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The federal government is already using CC as a means to control education in the states. It is called "Race to the Top".

How is the federal government controlling education in the states through "Race to the Top"? How much of "Race to the Top" are the Common Core standards?

I suggest you go to the DofED website and read Race to the Top. Getting federal money is totally tied to common core. It will only get worse.

Could you please tell me exactly where to look on the Department of Education website for the requirements for Race to the Top grant funding?

Actually, ideally, you would tell me exactly where to look, and you would summarize the requirements. "Totally tied to" is not really very informative.

So out of curiosity I opened a grant application form the race to the top website. It's 100 pages so I did a document word search for Common Core and it found no results. Funny how it's "totally tied" to Common Core without mentioning it once!

Thanks for wasting our time, PP.

So unless you find the words CC, that's all you have for your 'research'? Is that how you teach your students to research?

Think stimulus package. Now work from there.

Lol, now I'm supposed to go look at the stimulus package? You are a piece of work, and no, I don't have time for your scavenger hunt. Again, if RAcr to the Top is so completely tied to Common Core, why is it not mentioned even once in a 100 pg document? Are we supposed to be reading between the lines or something?

Seems like this would be a good opportunity for you to demonstrate you skills at writing an argumentative essay. Siny telling us to fish around is not even remotely convincing anyone that you know what you are talking about.

I did. Twice. About four pages back. Gave detailed information about the stimulus package and money's for CC.

[Anonymous]

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Lol, now I'm supposed to go look at the stimulus package? You are a piece of work, and no, I don't have time for your scavenger hunt. Again, if RAcr to the Top is so completely tied to Common Core, why is it not mentioned even once in a 100 pg document? Are we supposed to be reading between the lines or something?

Seems like this would be a good opportunity for you to demonstrate you skills at writing an argumentative essay. Siny telling us to fish around is not even remotely convincing anyone that you know what you are talking about.

I did. Twice. About four pages back. Gave detailed information about the stimulus package and money's for CC.

Where?

[Anonymous]

http://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/a-guide-to-common-core/articles/2014/03/06/the-politics-of-common-core

Here's a pretty good summary of the program. Third paragraph addresses Race to the Top. It's not named explicitly to support common core, but the requirements are those of common core.

[Anonymous]

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What?! You want our children to be guinea pigs?! No, no, no, we can't have that.

So, you'd rather go wholesale with a program that has not been tested, is going to cost tons of money, and will line the pockets of large publishing companies who line the pockets of politicians.

First of all the standards aren't a product, and don't cost a lot of money.

Secondly, I live in the state of MD, and previously lived in the state of VA. In BOTH states we had standards. In BOTH states we got new standards, from time to time. In NEITHER state were the standards "tested" before they were updated.

I remember all the angst when VA rolled outs its SOLs (Standards of Learning) and especially the SOL tests. Wow you would have thought the world was going to end. The anger, the worry, the Sturm und Drang. No field testing, either. They were just dropped on us.

Now people like the SOLs pretty much and see no reason to switch to Common Core.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/a-guide-to-common-core/articles/2014/03/06/the-politics-of-common-core

Here's a pretty good summary of the program. Third paragraph addresses Race to the Top. It's not named explicitly to support common core, but the requirements are those of common core.

I think you mean fourth paragraph. This one:

Hess is referring to an effort supported by the Obama administration in which states could receive Race to the Top funding if they agreed to adopt college- and career-ready standards. While the government did not explicitly name Common Core – or any other set of standards, for that matter – those who agreed to implement Common Core automatically qualified for Race to the Top cash. Some states, such as Virginia and Texas, however, opted to write their own standards rather than adopt Common Core. In doing so, both states were still eligible to apply for Race to the Top funds, although Texas did not submit an application, and Virginia was not awarded any money.

Perfect. So according to this article, adopting Common Core was NOT required for Race to the Top Funding. Thank you.

And states that did not adopt Common Core, still were eligible to apply for funding.

[Anonymous]

Well there you have it then! All this fuss over nothing.

[Anonymous]

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How does one test and prove it to be effective?

The way any other research is tested and proven. You set up a pilot program. Then you test and evaluate. It doesn't happen overnight.

What?! You want our children to be guinea pigs?! No, no, no, we can't have that.

Failing inner city schools have nowhere to go but up. If it fails, no change

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/a-guide-to-common-core/articles/2014/03/06/the-politics-of-common-core

Here's a pretty good summary of the program. Third paragraph addresses Race to the Top. It's not named explicitly to support common core, but the requirements are those of common core.

I think you mean fourth paragraph. This one:

Hess is referring to an effort supported by the Obama administration in which states could receive Race to the Top funding if they agreed to adopt college- and career-ready standards. While the government did not explicitly name Common Core – or any other set of standards, for that matter – those who agreed to implement Common Core automatically qualified for Race to the Top cash. Some states, such as Virginia and Texas, however, opted to write their own standards rather than adopt Common Core. In doing so, both states were still eligible to apply for Race to the Top funds, although Texas did not submit an application, and Virginia was not awarded any money.

Perfect. So according to this article, adopting Common Core was NOT required for Race to the Top Funding. Thank you.

And states that did not adopt Common Core, still were eligible to apply for funding.

I have posted over and over again when and how much funding was set aside for Common Core and how RTTT was used. You completely ignore it. It's like talking to Pelosi or Al Gore

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/a-guide-to-common-core/articles/2014/03/06/the-politics-of-common-core

Here's a pretty good summary of the program. Third paragraph addresses Race to the Top. It's not named explicitly to support common core, but the requirements are those of common core.

I think you mean fourth paragraph. This one:

Hess is referring to an effort supported by the Obama administration in which states could receive Race to the Top funding if they agreed to adopt college- and career-ready standards. While the government did not explicitly name Common Core – or any other set of standards, for that matter – those who agreed to implement Common Core automatically qualified for Race to the Top cash. Some states, such as Virginia and Texas, however, opted to write their own standards rather than adopt Common Core. In doing so, both states were still eligible to apply for Race to the Top funds, although Texas did not submit an application, and Virginia was not awarded any money.

Perfect. So according to this article, adopting Common Core was NOT required for Race to the Top Funding. Thank you.

And states that did not adopt Common Core, still were eligible to apply for funding.

I have posted over and over again when and how much funding was set aside for Common Core and how RTTT was used. You completely ignore it. It's like talking to Pelosi or Al Gore

You have been posting over and over but you are not proving your point.

Yes, States adopting Common Core State standards OR SIMILAR standards help them get Race to the Top Grant Funding.

That is different from saying all states are required to adopt Common Core State Standards.

If you do not see how that is different, I am at a loss.

[Anonymous]

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Secondly, I live in the state of MD, and previously lived in the state of VA. In BOTH states we had standards. In BOTH states we got new standards, from time to time. In NEITHER state were the standards "tested" before they were updated.

I remember all the angst when VA rolled outs its SOLs (Standards of Learning) and especially the SOL tests. Wow you would have thought the world was going to end. The anger, the worry, the Sturm und Drang. No field testing, either. They were just dropped on us.

Now people like the SOLs pretty much and see no reason to switch to Common Core.

It's throw back Monday -- if you feel like doing a little reading, read this article about 5 years into the adoption of the VA Standards of Learning (1999) Man, what fun times those were:

http://www.via.vt.edu/fall99/sols.html