ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Except now there's trapped players across every age group!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Except now there's trapped players across every age group!!!

Correct which is going to make it an even bigger issue.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

The date school starts in a state is not necessarily analagous with the cutoff date for age by grade.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

Is ECNL going to ask every kid what school district they are from and look for their cut offs? You can be from a state like California has a bunch of districts that are not all the same.

[Anonymous]

Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

Is ECNL going to ask every kid what school district they are from and look for their cut offs? You can be from a state like California has a bunch of districts that are not all the same.

No, players just provide a birth cert that proves age and proof of grade enrolled.

[Anonymous]

A GA announcement tomorrow (either way)will guaranteed get us to 1000 by the weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

Think of this way....

September to December birthdays were "trapped" for 10 years with kids in the grade up under the BY system. 10 years is how long it took for that to be fixed.

In another 10 years, all of the problems you mention could potentially be fixed. Not bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

Think of this way....

September to December birthdays were "trapped" for 10 years with kids in the grade up under the BY system. 10 years is how long it took for that to be fixed.

In another 10 years, all of the problems you mention could potentially be fixed. Not bad.

Maybe or just fix it now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

Think of this way....

September to December birthdays were "trapped" for 10 years with kids in the grade up under the BY system. 10 years is how long it took for that to be fixed.

In another 10 years, all of the problems you mention could potentially be fixed. Not bad.

Maybe or just fix it now.

Maybe USYS and US Club Soccer will do that. Doesn't hurt to ask. And it doesn't help to keep asking for a change on an anonymous message board.

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Anonymous wrote:Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

Think of this way....

September to December birthdays were "trapped" for 10 years with kids in the grade up under the BY system. 10 years is how long it took for that to be fixed.

In another 10 years, all of the problems you mention could potentially be fixed. Not bad.

Maybe or just fix it now.

Maybe USYS and US Club Soccer will do that. Doesn't hurt to ask. And it doesn't help to keep asking for a change on an anonymous message board.

Unfortunately most people dont understand the inner workings of youth soccer leagues. So yes, it is important to explain it over and over again.

Also in this situation BY SY GY theres multiple ways things could go even if a single grouping type is defined. The people that think switching to SY will some all the issues are wrong. It's just a starting point for more issues.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

Think of this way....

September to December birthdays were "trapped" for 10 years with kids in the grade up under the BY system. 10 years is how long it took for that to be fixed.

In another 10 years, all of the problems you mention could potentially be fixed. Not bad.

Maybe or just fix it now.

Maybe USYS and US Club Soccer will do that. Doesn't hurt to ask. And it doesn't help to keep asking for a change on an anonymous message board.

Unfortunately most people dont understand the inner workings of youth soccer leagues. So yes, it is important to explain it over and over again.

Also in this situation BY SY GY theres multiple ways things could go even if a single grouping type is defined. The people that think switching to SY will some all the issues are wrong. It's just a starting point for more issues.

There ALWAYS be issues, even if you get SY+60, especially from the parents of the youngest kids in the 14-month window. How about this SY+60 man, we should have 2 teams (older/younger per school year) with 6 month windows for each grade +30?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Think of it this way....

Under SY theres going to be a group of trapped players who leagues know are trapped from the day they start playing at age 3.

They know that without a doubt certain trapped players wont get recruited in the right age group because of when the school disteict started and when they were born.

You dont think the paretns of ALL the age groups with trapped players wont complain as a group to leagues? They're all in the same boat under SY.

Think of this way....

September to December birthdays were "trapped" for 10 years with kids in the grade up under the BY system. 10 years is how long it took for that to be fixed.

In another 10 years, all of the problems you mention could potentially be fixed. Not bad.

Maybe or just fix it now.

Maybe USYS and US Club Soccer will do that. Doesn't hurt to ask. And it doesn't help to keep asking for a change on an anonymous message board.

Unfortunately most people dont understand the inner workings of youth soccer leagues. So yes, it is important to explain it over and over again.

Also in this situation BY SY GY theres multiple ways things could go even if a single grouping type is defined. The people that think switching to SY will some all the issues are wrong. It's just a starting point for more issues.

There ALWAYS be issues, even if you get SY+60, especially from the parents of the youngest kids in the 14-month window. How about this SY+60 man, we should have 2 teams (older/younger per school year) with 6 month windows for each grade +30?

That's kind of weird.

All your doing is breaking things out in two 7 month groupings instead of one 14 month grouping. Also theres no driver for the second +30.

You're probably trying to address RAE which unfortunately is impossible if the goal is to align groupings with grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

Is ECNL going to ask every kid what school district they are from and look for their cut offs? You can be from a state like California has a bunch of districts that are not all the same.

No, players just provide a birth cert that proves age and proof of grade enrolled.

Would also need to show proof of residence when the child started school and what the birthdate cutoffs were for this school district at that time. Should be no problem for every club to get it right and for national leagues to police. Of course these are the same people that needed 30 months to change the date range of a field in their software.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

Is ECNL going to ask every kid what school district they are from and look for their cut offs? You can be from a state like California has a bunch of districts that are not all the same.

No, players just provide a birth cert that proves age and proof of grade enrolled.

Would also need to show proof of residence when the child started school and what the birthdate cutoffs were for this school district at that time. Should be no problem for every club to get it right and for national leagues to police. Of course these are the same people that needed 30 months to change the date range of a field in their software.

LOL very true. We aren't dealing with mathematicians or rocket scientists