ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:I could see the leagues having the same general cutoff but allowing some exceptions around recruiting and trapped player ages. They’ll try to one up each other to attract more kids.

Leagues come and go all the time. The collapse of the DA was only 5 years ago. I think there is a real danger in leagues trying to isolate themselves or do something totally different. It’s too easy to push kids away and strengthen another league. Other than mls academies, the leagues are all pretty much the same. Mlsnext for boys and ecnl for girls are the top leagues in most areas of the country now but things are constantly changing and that may not be the case in a few years.

Will depend if the NWSL can make a sting push for clubs team leave ECNL.
Or if college soccer dies then people’s reasons for playing soccer will shift and so will the leagues.

If women's college soccer dies off. This whole discussion is moot. ECNL vs GA is moot. Then you'll just need some NSWL and USL Academies for elite women's youth players and everyone else can play rec.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

This is a good point about what's fair to the individual kids. But your argument exposes a fundamental problem. The states with districts that start "a couple months before 9/1" will always have bigger / older teams - per se. That's not fair - and it's why this SY+60 thing won't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see the leagues having the same general cutoff but allowing some exceptions around recruiting and trapped player ages. They’ll try to one up each other to attract more kids.

Leagues come and go all the time. The collapse of the DA was only 5 years ago. I think there is a real danger in leagues trying to isolate themselves or do something totally different. It’s too easy to push kids away and strengthen another league. Other than mls academies, the leagues are all pretty much the same. Mlsnext for boys and ecnl for girls are the top leagues in most areas of the country now but things are constantly changing and that may not be the case in a few years.

Will depend if the NWSL can make a sting push for clubs team leave ECNL.
Or if college soccer dies then people’s reasons for playing soccer will shift and so will the leagues.

I don't know how plainly I can say this, but a LARGE majority of girls have 0 interest in going pro (as it is currently situated). College will always be a pathway until the $$$ are even in the same realm.

You must have played soccer and are female to make such an informed statement about what girls want.

Reality is that all players want to play at the highest level (professionally). They temper that dream with the cards that are available to them.

Holy cow, people.

Reasons for Participating in Non-school Sports (study of 3,900 7th to 12th graders)

Boys Girls
To have fun To have fun
To do something I’m good at To stay in shape
To improve my skills To get exercise
For the excitement of competition To improve my skills
To stay in shape To do something I’m good at
For the challenge of competition To learn new skills
To get exercise For the excitant of competition
To learn new skills To play as part of a team
To play a part of a team To make new friends
To go to a higher level of competition For the challenge of competition

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/160/2023/09/Vision-Document-How-do-we-measure-success.pdf

For boys, moving to a higher level is there, but at the bottom. For girls it wasn't even in the top 10. If they have a goal to be a pro or play in college, support them. But please keep in mind most of these kids are playing with a first priority of having fun.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

This is a good point about what's fair to the individual kids. But your argument exposes a fundamental problem. The states with districts that start "a couple months before 9/1" will always have bigger / older teams - per se. That's not fair - and it's why this SY+60 thing won't happen.

You have to keep in mind that the +60 part wont translate to teams full of July kids. There's very few school districts that actually start in July AND the kid has to be born in July. There would probably be 10ish per grade at most depending on the size of the school.

Maybe 1 or 2 per team from districts that start before 9/1 and most would be within 30 days of 9/1.

And its 2 months, who cares. This is not enough to make that much of a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see the leagues having the same general cutoff but allowing some exceptions around recruiting and trapped player ages. They’ll try to one up each other to attract more kids.

Leagues come and go all the time. The collapse of the DA was only 5 years ago. I think there is a real danger in leagues trying to isolate themselves or do something totally different. It’s too easy to push kids away and strengthen another league. Other than mls academies, the leagues are all pretty much the same. Mlsnext for boys and ecnl for girls are the top leagues in most areas of the country now but things are constantly changing and that may not be the case in a few years.

Will depend if the NWSL can make a sting push for clubs team leave ECNL.
Or if college soccer dies then people’s reasons for playing soccer will shift and so will the leagues.

I don't know how plainly I can say this, but a LARGE majority of girls have 0 interest in going pro (as it is currently situated). College will always be a pathway until the $$$ are even in the same realm.

You don’t read so well? If college soccer dies then why would kids play ECNL?

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

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GA will be announcing their decision tomorrow to directors!

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Anonymous wrote:GA will be announcing their decision tomorrow to directors!

link?

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Anonymous wrote:GA will be announcing their decision tomorrow to directors!

How long until directors let the players know?

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Anonymous wrote:GA will be announcing their decision tomorrow to directors!

How long until directors let the players know?

We will probably find it here first...

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

No, it's not fine because the districts that start earlier will have older kids, on average. So everyone won't be happy. Of course, you'll be happy. You'll probably be happy, which is all that's important to you.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

No, it's not fine because the districts that start earlier will have older kids, on average. So everyone won't be happy. Of course, you'll be happy. You'll probably be happy, which is all that's important to you.

It's 2 months and very few players!

Also both ECNL and GA already allow trapped players to play down during their gap year. This includes the ones that are 14 months older than the youngest possible age in that age group.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

No, it's not fine because the districts that start earlier will have older kids, on average. So everyone won't be happy. Of course, you'll be happy. You'll probably be happy, which is all that's important to you.

It's 2 months and very few players!

Also both ECNL and GA already allow trapped players to play down during their gap year. This includes the ones that are 14 months older than the youngest possible age in that age group.

GA does not allow this, they removed this rule at the start of the current season. This was shown yesterday,some 30 pages ago.

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Anonymous wrote:All the higher leagues ECNL Mlsn ga need to have the same cutoff as the pipeline or chaos and they risk losing business without being able to move kids up and down year to year

Actually its in leagues best interest to have wacky cutoff dates that are different from other teams. This is because it won't allow teams from different leagues to play each other in tournaments. They will be forced to only play at events run by the league.

Huh, how does this even make sense? Clubs hosting tournaments want fewer teams to be able to play in their tournaments? These money grubbing clubs want to leave dollars on the table? I don't buy that one.

ECNL/MLSN/GA don’t care about clubs making money they care about making money. Having a league with its own unique cut offs is easier to isolate their teams to attend private league showcases.

How does anyone make more money when you shrink your player pool? That isn't logical

Logical to the SY+ guy who wants a league to have a good cutoff for his own.

Are you really this dense? Or just a troll?

SY+60 = a 9/1 cutoff and 60 days before if players can prove grade enrolled and age. It completely gets rid of trapped players. Also as a bonus it doesnt allow players to regrade down for wins.

It's just SY with a 9/1 cutoff and a specific expemtion for addressing trapped players that still exist with a single cutoff date.

Another way to think about SY+60 is GY without the regrades.

There are always going to be kids who get "held back" in their early years of education - regardless of their birthdate. And in states with an 8/1 enrollment date for kindergarten, it's normal for parents of May / June birthdays to hold their kids back. So even with a SY+60 (meaning July 1), you're still going to have trapped players. The only way to get rid of trapped players is to go fully GY.

I would say theres a different between kids who are in a grade because their school district started a couple of months before 9/1 and a kid who's a 16 year old freshman (ie regrade).

One is in the situation through no fault of their own. The other is specifically looking to exploit the system being the biggest kid on the team.

Yes but how do you differentiate between the two if making a system where those kids can compete.

Also no way to prove who’s exploiting the system by holding back for sports as parents can always attribute to various things such as emotional maturity or academically not being able to move ahead which are real life factors.

It’s either GY and everyone just goes with the grace and we have to deal with it or just stay with a one year period and some kids unfortunately will have to sit out.

Unless they decide to allow for U19 and U18 as part of club soccer.

What are you talking about? Theres a very easy way to determine who's cheating and who's not.

ALL school districts in America start on after or slightly before 9/1. 90% of the school districts in America that start before 9/1 start within 30 days before 9/1. The rest start in July and most are things like July 31st.

These are the trapped players.

Everyone born +61 or +180 or +900 are regrades looking to play down to exploit being older and playing against younger competition.

GY is fine if you do it the SY+60 way. Just keep the cheaters out and everyone is happy.

No, it's not fine because the districts that start earlier will have older kids, on average. So everyone won't be happy. Of course, you'll be happy. You'll probably be happy, which is all that's important to you.

It's 2 months and very few players!

Also both ECNL and GA already allow trapped players to play down during their gap year. This includes the ones that are 14 months older than the youngest possible age in that age group.

GA does not allow this, they removed this rule at the start of the current season. This was shown yesterday,some 30 pages ago.

GA removed it because nobody followed the rule and with changes to SY it no longer matters.

It doesnt change the fact that both leagues allowed trapped players to play with their grade during the gap year.

Trapped players under SY are just a variation of the same thing + will continue to cause issues if not addressed.