Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

I’m really trying to be unbiased here, but this latest move by the judge seems bad for lively?

I don’t think it’s in anyone’s best PR interest to drag out this trial and it’s being postponed for at least two months with some saying it will probably be postponed longer because of the government shut down -there’s a backlog of criminal cases. Judge Liman seems to have some strong words and is obviously not forcing them to settle, but clearly wants that to be the outcome.

It also looks like he’s going to make lively unseal many more documents than we’ve seen. It definitely seems like we’ve seen more texts and emails and depositions from the Baldoni side and people have been wondering about that and it seems like that is going to be addressed.

Maybe that could be good for lively, but it’s weird that her team has kept them sealed for so long. It seems like they may want them to be released closer to Christmas but that’s not really how new cycles work anymore. Legacy media has been very kind to lively, but they want the salacious headlines and if there are any, I don’t believe anyone would not just throw her under the bus for a juicy Taylor headline or a juicy headline about this case and content creators would pick up on it and churn with it long past Christmas.

I continue to think this won’t go to trial because it seems that it would benefit neither and damage both, but curious to see what other others think.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure both sides would rather get it over with, but prioritizing criminal trials makes sense.

Curious how settlement talks will go... I suspect not far. Both parties are blowing money and their true goal seems to be to clear their reputation. I think Lively will want settlement to include an apology or admission of guilt, which Wayfarer will not give. It's Wayfarer that needs to make a financial offer and Sarowitz seems pretty dug in and may as well wait for ruling on the MJOP/MSJ. I noticed in one of Heath's depositions he said Wayfarer isn't profitable and never has been, which isn't a huge surprise, but with all the insurance companies not wanting to pay, that puts a little pressure on Wayfarer to settle.

I agree that trial would damage both parties, but I think it's inevitable, and I'm hoping for it because it will be interesting. Worst case scenario is they settle before anything else is unsealed!

I don't think unsealing will hurt Lively that much. A lot of the sealed stuff came from third parties who won't necessarily object to unsealing or the judge will order it unsealed anyway. It doesn't necessarily mean Lively wanted it sealed because it's bad for her. I expect the Sony depositions and the ones from other cast members, makeup artists, etc, will tend to support her side. And if she can get more of the Case/Koslow/Wallace stuff unsealed (probably over objections) that should also help her. What will hurt her is any embarrassing texts that she had to turn over to Wayfarer, especially with her "celebrity friends."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure both sides would rather get it over with, but prioritizing criminal trials makes sense.

Curious how settlement talks will go... I suspect not far. Both parties are blowing money and their true goal seems to be to clear their reputation. I think Lively will want settlement to include an apology or admission of guilt, which Wayfarer will not give. It's Wayfarer that needs to make a financial offer and Sarowitz seems pretty dug in and may as well wait for ruling on the MJOP/MSJ. I noticed in one of Heath's depositions he said Wayfarer isn't profitable and never has been, which isn't a huge surprise, but with all the insurance companies not wanting to pay, that puts a little pressure on Wayfarer to settle.

I agree that trial would damage both parties, but I think it's inevitable, and I'm hoping for it because it will be interesting. Worst case scenario is they settle before anything else is unsealed!

I don't think unsealing will hurt Lively that much. A lot of the sealed stuff came from third parties who won't necessarily object to unsealing or the judge will order it unsealed anyway. It doesn't necessarily mean Lively wanted it sealed because it's bad for her. I expect the Sony depositions and the ones from other cast members, makeup artists, etc, will tend to support her side. And if she can get more of the Case/Koslow/Wallace stuff unsealed (probably over objections) that should also help her. What will hurt her is any embarrassing texts that she had to turn over to Wayfarer, especially with her "celebrity friends."

+1, any settlement would involve Wayfarer giving money to Blake, which they seem particularly unwilling to do. And even if they were willing to do it, Blake at this point wants/needs an admission of wrongdoing more than their money, which they will also never give.

Both sides seem really dug in and I think settlement is a total nonstarter, even though 99 times out of 100, that's how this sort of employment dispute is settled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Once again , this isn’t really actionable and has little to do with Blake’s specific complaints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alex Sachs has absolutely has no credibility. On Reddit Someone posted her deposition about how Julie Bloom, the A.D. that Blake had fired, deserved to be fired because she was weak and didn’t have the experience for the job.

The poster came with the receipts. Julie is a 30 year veteran of Hollywood. She’s worked on some of the most successful movies in the last 30 years, movies starring, jen Aniston, Sandra, Bullock, Will Smith, Paul Rudd, Nicole Kidman and more. Big big budget movies, much bigger than it ends with us and bigger than anything Alex has worked on.

Will be very interesting to see where Alex‘s career goes after this. Did she just not think anyone would read this?

Saks didn't say Bloom wasn't experienced. What she said was that she had most recently been working in TV, which has different demands than a film other than pilots because working as a first AD on an existing TV show allows you to come in to an already working set.

That said, I do think Bloom was ultimately put in an impossible position and her firing was a bit of scapegoating. But not for Blake, for Baldoni. He was a weak leader and the production was sloppy and disorganized. With a stronger leader, Bloom likely would have been fine. But because Baldoni was in way of his head AND was trying to direct and act and produce, and because Heath had very limited experience producing movies (mostly smaller, lower budget movies for Wayfarer and they haven't been at it for long), that puts enormous pressure on the 1st AD to pick up the slack. Saks wanted to get rid of Baldoni and Heath, but of course they couldn't because as Ange Gianetti told her, Wayfarer isn't going to fire themselves off their own movie. So instead they replaced Bloom in the hopes of finding a 1st AD who could help overcome Baldoni's and Heath's major deficiencies. That doesn't really reflect that poorly on Bloom.

If I'm Julie Bloom right now, I'm probably grateful to have been kicked off this production given what a total mess it has become. By being fired early on, it's probably limited her legal bill in association with the lawsuit. Also, it will be abundantly clear to anyone in Hollywood that this was a dysfunctional production for reasons that had nothing to do with Bloom. It's like a badge of honor.

It’s so funny how (1) this particular Blake bot is so easy to identify, and (2) she thinks she is convincing anyone with this blather.

Blake made Ryan “mean girled” their way through the set, and everyone understood that they had to be either with them or against them. Against them meant getting fired, ostracized, and/or sued. With them meant getting help securing future roles (or even instant promotions during the filming), free trips, and free pr for future projects. I don’t think Blake will work again in Hollywood other than films financed by Lively/Reynolds

DP but I agree with the Lively supporter and think it's weird how much you all hate on a series of like 7 different women who had problems with Baldoni. What a coincidence ... not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Could you please point out the multiple women that have come forward, because I’ve been really close to this case and I have not seen this. I have seen that Jenny Slate was uncomfortable because he recorded a Zoom meeting, and was annoyed by Jamie Heath espousing motherhood when giving her a housing benefit and I believe she objected to Baldoni hugging her or something?

Isabel did not seem to have any problems with Justin until she was arguing harassment over the subpoena being served to her…. but that does not mean she had a problem with him during the movie and I’ve only seen her text where she’s thanked him for having a comfortable and safe set. Weird words if she was going to come back and accuse him of harassment.

Robin lively did not want him to hug her. That is not sexual harassment and that is absolutely laughable that’s it’s even included and embarrassing for Blake because as soon as people said multiple women, the joke was I bet it’s her sister. Turns out it was.

Liz plank seemed to really enjoy working with him and quit only after these allegations came out, and we know she has a complicated relationship with Reynolds since he is backing her production company. Claire, who is also doing doing a project with Liz plank and Alex Sachs by the way, also seemed to just have a great working relationship with him, but I don’t believe any allegations of sexual harassment were made.

I’m sorry about this multiple women coming forward is a joke.

You do realize Colleen Hoover begged him to star and direct in this movie don’t you? He actually had concerns with playing the character and she really pushed for it. She didn’t think anyone else could do it justice . So to blame him for doing that when then she turned around inside with Blake is really rich.

It doesn’t seem you know even basic facts about this case and you just want to blindly defend Blake. Good luck with that and let’s see how that turns out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Could you please point out the multiple women that have come forward, because I’ve been really close to this case and I have not seen this. I have seen that Jenny Slate was uncomfortable because he recorded a Zoom meeting, and was annoyed by Jamie Heath espousing motherhood when giving her a housing benefit and I believe she objected to Baldoni hugging her or something?

Isabel did not seem to have any problems with Justin until she was arguing harassment over the subpoena being served to her…. but that does not mean she had a problem with him during the movie and I’ve only seen her text where she’s thanked him for having a comfortable and safe set. Weird words if she was going to come back and accuse him of harassment.

Robin lively did not want him to hug her. That is not sexual harassment and that is absolutely laughable that’s it’s even included and embarrassing for Blake because as soon as people said multiple women, the joke was I bet it’s her sister. Turns out it was.

Liz plank seemed to really enjoy working with him and quit only after these allegations came out, and we know she has a complicated relationship with Reynolds since he is backing her production company. Claire, who is also doing doing a project with Liz plank and Alex Sachs by the way, also seemed to just have a great working relationship with him, but I don’t believe any allegations of sexual harassment were made.

I’m sorry about this multiple women coming forward is a joke.

You do realize Colleen Hoover begged him to star and direct in this movie don’t you? He actually had concerns with playing the character and she really pushed for it. She didn’t think anyone else could do it justice . So to blame him for doing that when then she turned around inside with Blake is really rich.

It doesn’t seem you know even basic facts about this case and you just want to blindly defend Blake. Good luck with that and let’s see how that turns out.

Catching up on reading 10 pages of this thread today after a long time on Reddit.

Happy to see the SJ filings turning more people positive towards Lively than before. I was pro-Lively this whole time but I agree the recent filings show other women on set like Slate and Saks having trouble with Baldoni even before Lively ever said anything. Which helps Lively a lot imho because Freedman has been trying to portray her as some rogue, bitter woman who unaccountably has it out for him. That is not matching these facts.

It does really annoy me that some Baldoni fans immediately turn on and villainize any woman who says anything negative about Baldoni. Lively, Slate, Ferrer, Saks, Ayoub, Hoover, Plank, etc.

To the poster above, while Hoover may have started in Baldoni’s corner, she complained about him coming to her with complaints about Lively and trying to turn her against Lively. And she appreciated Lively involving her in the movie editing, and not trying to turn her like Baldoni was doing. And *that* immediately made Hoover a target for pro-Baldoni Redditors, of course.

It’s exhausting. How many women need to have a problem with this man until you start to believe the complaints? At some point it seems like you should be able to say that all this tends to suggest he’s problematic, but ymmv.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Could you please point out the multiple women that have come forward, because I’ve been really close to this case and I have not seen this. I have seen that Jenny Slate was uncomfortable because he recorded a Zoom meeting, and was annoyed by Jamie Heath espousing motherhood when giving her a housing benefit and I believe she objected to Baldoni hugging her or something?

Isabel did not seem to have any problems with Justin until she was arguing harassment over the subpoena being served to her…. but that does not mean she had a problem with him during the movie and I’ve only seen her text where she’s thanked him for having a comfortable and safe set. Weird words if she was going to come back and accuse him of harassment.

Robin lively did not want him to hug her. That is not sexual harassment and that is absolutely laughable that’s it’s even included and embarrassing for Blake because as soon as people said multiple women, the joke was I bet it’s her sister. Turns out it was.

Liz plank seemed to really enjoy working with him and quit only after these allegations came out, and we know she has a complicated relationship with Reynolds since he is backing her production company. Claire, who is also doing doing a project with Liz plank and Alex Sachs by the way, also seemed to just have a great working relationship with him, but I don’t believe any allegations of sexual harassment were made.

I’m sorry about this multiple women coming forward is a joke.

You do realize Colleen Hoover begged him to star and direct in this movie don’t you? He actually had concerns with playing the character and she really pushed for it. She didn’t think anyone else could do it justice . So to blame him for doing that when then she turned around inside with Blake is really rich.

It doesn’t seem you know even basic facts about this case and you just want to blindly defend Blake. Good luck with that and let’s see how that turns out.

Catching up on reading 10 pages of this thread today after a long time on Reddit.

Happy to see the SJ filings turning more people positive towards Lively than before. I was pro-Lively this whole time but I agree the recent filings show other women on set like Slate and Saks having trouble with Baldoni even before Lively ever said anything. Which helps Lively a lot imho because Freedman has been trying to portray her as some rogue, bitter woman who unaccountably has it out for him. That is not matching these facts.

It does really annoy me that some Baldoni fans immediately turn on and villainize any woman who says anything negative about Baldoni. Lively, Slate, Ferrer, Saks, Ayoub, Hoover, Plank, etc.

To the poster above, while Hoover may have started in Baldoni’s corner, she complained about him coming to her with complaints about Lively and trying to turn her against Lively. And she appreciated Lively involving her in the movie editing, and not trying to turn her like Baldoni was doing. And *that* immediately made Hoover a target for pro-Baldoni Redditors, of course.

It’s exhausting. How many women need to have a problem with this man until you start to believe the complaints? At some point it seems like you should be able to say that all this tends to suggest he’s problematic, but ymmv.

Again, the facts are wrong here. Hoover didn’t have a problem with him and didn’t even get into this mess until a very late email well after the film had wrapped when they were finalizing everything where she said this infighting seems really immature. Could you please get along.?

Blake got to her and she didn’t know basic things about the production until Justin sent her straight. For example, she blamed him for getting the tattoo wrong when he corrected her and said that was Blake’s choice and we spent $100,000 in post to correct it since it’s so important to the fans. Further that same exchange also revealed Hoover was trying to commit fraud by asking wayfare to make an illegal donation in her name which they said they could not do.

Hoover is not exactly a hero here - seems like she had no clue what actually went on that set but just decided to side with lively and Reynolds because they are more powerful.

Again, all this multiple women having problems… They all had a really minor work disagreements, that is very different than harassment. people are just repeating the same headlines that sound bad but when you drill down, these are really minor allegations. Judge lineman is even getting fed up and saying other cases are taking precedent and they should just settle. This should not be clogging up the court system.

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I don't know where it is on the docket anymore but there was a funny text or email change where Baldoni was talking about how the book is filled with sex scenes and making it sound like the new 50 Shades and Hoover was like, no, that's not an important factor at all. I remember that was in his motion which I thought was funny cause it does him no favors.

I do agree it's a series of minor incidents, but all of these women seem to becoming to their conclusions honestly and it's not something Lively pulled out of thin air to take over the movie.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Could you please point out the multiple women that have come forward, because I’ve been really close to this case and I have not seen this. I have seen that Jenny Slate was uncomfortable because he recorded a Zoom meeting, and was annoyed by Jamie Heath espousing motherhood when giving her a housing benefit and I believe she objected to Baldoni hugging her or something?

Isabel did not seem to have any problems with Justin until she was arguing harassment over the subpoena being served to her…. but that does not mean she had a problem with him during the movie and I’ve only seen her text where she’s thanked him for having a comfortable and safe set. Weird words if she was going to come back and accuse him of harassment.

Robin lively did not want him to hug her. That is not sexual harassment and that is absolutely laughable that’s it’s even included and embarrassing for Blake because as soon as people said multiple women, the joke was I bet it’s her sister. Turns out it was.

Liz plank seemed to really enjoy working with him and quit only after these allegations came out, and we know she has a complicated relationship with Reynolds since he is backing her production company. Claire, who is also doing doing a project with Liz plank and Alex Sachs by the way, also seemed to just have a great working relationship with him, but I don’t believe any allegations of sexual harassment were made.

I’m sorry about this multiple women coming forward is a joke.

You do realize Colleen Hoover begged him to star and direct in this movie don’t you? He actually had concerns with playing the character and she really pushed for it. She didn’t think anyone else could do it justice . So to blame him for doing that when then she turned around inside with Blake is really rich.

It doesn’t seem you know even basic facts about this case and you just want to blindly defend Blake. Good luck with that and let’s see how that turns out.

Catching up on reading 10 pages of this thread today after a long time on Reddit.

Happy to see the SJ filings turning more people positive towards Lively than before. I was pro-Lively this whole time but I agree the recent filings show other women on set like Slate and Saks having trouble with Baldoni even before Lively ever said anything. Which helps Lively a lot imho because Freedman has been trying to portray her as some rogue, bitter woman who unaccountably has it out for him. That is not matching these facts.

It does really annoy me that some Baldoni fans immediately turn on and villainize any woman who says anything negative about Baldoni. Lively, Slate, Ferrer, Saks, Ayoub, Hoover, Plank, etc.

To the poster above, while Hoover may have started in Baldoni’s corner, she complained about him coming to her with complaints about Lively and trying to turn her against Lively. And she appreciated Lively involving her in the movie editing, and not trying to turn her like Baldoni was doing. And *that* immediately made Hoover a target for pro-Baldoni Redditors, of course.

It’s exhausting. How many women need to have a problem with this man until you start to believe the complaints? At some point it seems like you should be able to say that all this tends to suggest he’s problematic, but ymmv.

Again, the facts are wrong here. Hoover didn’t have a problem with him and didn’t even get into this mess until a very late email well after the film had wrapped when they were finalizing everything where she said this infighting seems really immature. Could you please get along.?

Blake got to her and she didn’t know basic things about the production until Justin sent her straight. For example, she blamed him for getting the tattoo wrong when he corrected her and said that was Blake’s choice and we spent $100,000 in post to correct it since it’s so important to the fans. Further that same exchange also revealed Hoover was trying to commit fraud by asking wayfare to make an illegal donation in her name which they said they could not do.

Hoover is not exactly a hero here - seems like she had no clue what actually went on that set but just decided to side with lively and Reynolds because they are more powerful.

Again, all this multiple women having problems… They all had a really minor work disagreements, that is very different than harassment. people are just repeating the same headlines that sound bad but when you drill down, these are really minor allegations. Judge lineman is even getting fed up and saying other cases are taking precedent and they should just settle. This should not be clogging up the court system.

Wow, you’re really just making things up now to fit your narrative, right? Even NAG and LGA (who are fairly pro-Baldoni) agree that the judge telling the parties to engage in settlement discussions is telling the parties they need to settle, but just a normal step in litigation. Nor was putting the criminal trials first some judgment of this case’s lack of value as opposed to normal triaging between criminal and civil trials.

and look at you doing exactly what I was talking about — immediately villainizing Hoover for complaining about Baldoni. Nice. Good luck.

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Is **NOT** telling the parties they need to settle, whoops

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Could you please point out the multiple women that have come forward, because I’ve been really close to this case and I have not seen this. I have seen that Jenny Slate was uncomfortable because he recorded a Zoom meeting, and was annoyed by Jamie Heath espousing motherhood when giving her a housing benefit and I believe she objected to Baldoni hugging her or something?

Isabel did not seem to have any problems with Justin until she was arguing harassment over the subpoena being served to her…. but that does not mean she had a problem with him during the movie and I’ve only seen her text where she’s thanked him for having a comfortable and safe set. Weird words if she was going to come back and accuse him of harassment.

Robin lively did not want him to hug her. That is not sexual harassment and that is absolutely laughable that’s it’s even included and embarrassing for Blake because as soon as people said multiple women, the joke was I bet it’s her sister. Turns out it was.

Liz plank seemed to really enjoy working with him and quit only after these allegations came out, and we know she has a complicated relationship with Reynolds since he is backing her production company. Claire, who is also doing doing a project with Liz plank and Alex Sachs by the way, also seemed to just have a great working relationship with him, but I don’t believe any allegations of sexual harassment were made.

I’m sorry about this multiple women coming forward is a joke.

You do realize Colleen Hoover begged him to star and direct in this movie don’t you? He actually had concerns with playing the character and she really pushed for it. She didn’t think anyone else could do it justice . So to blame him for doing that when then she turned around inside with Blake is really rich.

It doesn’t seem you know even basic facts about this case and you just want to blindly defend Blake. Good luck with that and let’s see how that turns out.

Catching up on reading 10 pages of this thread today after a long time on Reddit.

Happy to see the SJ filings turning more people positive towards Lively than before. I was pro-Lively this whole time but I agree the recent filings show other women on set like Slate and Saks having trouble with Baldoni even before Lively ever said anything. Which helps Lively a lot imho because Freedman has been trying to portray her as some rogue, bitter woman who unaccountably has it out for him. That is not matching these facts.

It does really annoy me that some Baldoni fans immediately turn on and villainize any woman who says anything negative about Baldoni. Lively, Slate, Ferrer, Saks, Ayoub, Hoover, Plank, etc.

To the poster above, while Hoover may have started in Baldoni’s corner, she complained about him coming to her with complaints about Lively and trying to turn her against Lively. And she appreciated Lively involving her in the movie editing, and not trying to turn her like Baldoni was doing. And *that* immediately made Hoover a target for pro-Baldoni Redditors, of course.

It’s exhausting. How many women need to have a problem with this man until you start to believe the complaints? At some point it seems like you should be able to say that all this tends to suggest he’s problematic, but ymmv.

Again, the facts are wrong here. Hoover didn’t have a problem with him and didn’t even get into this mess until a very late email well after the film had wrapped when they were finalizing everything where she said this infighting seems really immature. Could you please get along.?

Blake got to her and she didn’t know basic things about the production until Justin sent her straight. For example, she blamed him for getting the tattoo wrong when he corrected her and said that was Blake’s choice and we spent $100,000 in post to correct it since it’s so important to the fans. Further that same exchange also revealed Hoover was trying to commit fraud by asking wayfare to make an illegal donation in her name which they said they could not do.

Hoover is not exactly a hero here - seems like she had no clue what actually went on that set but just decided to side with lively and Reynolds because they are more powerful.

Again, all this multiple women having problems… They all had a really minor work disagreements, that is very different than harassment. people are just repeating the same headlines that sound bad but when you drill down, these are really minor allegations. Judge lineman is even getting fed up and saying other cases are taking precedent and they should just settle. This should not be clogging up the court system.

Wow, you’re really just making things up now to fit your narrative, right? Even NAG and LGA (who are fairly pro-Baldoni) agree that the judge telling the parties to engage in settlement discussions is telling the parties they need to settle, but just a normal step in litigation. Nor was putting the criminal trials first some judgment of this case’s lack of value as opposed to normal triaging between criminal and civil trials.

and look at you doing exactly what I was talking about — immediately villainizing Hoover for complaining about Baldoni. Nice. Good luck.

I never said that. I simply said he was encouraging them to settle. Which is factually correct. And absolutely other cases are taking precedent or he wouldn’t be trying to hear criminal cases before this one. And of course he should, there’s a constitutional right to a speedy trial.

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He’s not telling them, but he is encouraging them to settle. Most of these types of cases do.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.

Once again , this isn’t really actionable and has little to do with Blake’s specific complaints.

But it does. Maybe not to the SH claims against her, but it goes to others, including retaliation.