Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

[Anonymous]

It’s really impossible for indoor winter pro sports to build an iconic venue. The arenas are really blah. And with the really sparse championship banners for these moribund franchises a new facility is almost a joke. It would be better and more exciting to have a new expansion franchise. By the time this debacle is built Ovi will be gone and Ted’s franchises will be tumbleweed city. I do think Baltimore and Maryland will get an NHL franchise since DC got a baseball franchise closer to Camden Yards than Alexandria. Drawing from MD Frederick, Howard, Montgomery (icc), Carroll, Anne Arundel
,PG, Baltimore County, Baltimore City, Harford County, Carroll County, Calvert county, Queen Anne’s county, and a good portion of DC.

[Anonymous]

NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s really impossible for indoor winter pro sports to build an iconic venue. The arenas are really blah. And with the really sparse championship banners for these moribund franchises a new facility is almost a joke. It would be better and more exciting to have a new expansion franchise. By the time this debacle is built Ovi will be gone and Ted’s franchises will be tumbleweed city. I do think Baltimore and Maryland will get an NHL franchise since DC got a baseball franchise closer to Camden Yards than Alexandria. Drawing from MD Frederick, Howard, Montgomery (icc), Carroll, Anne Arundel
,PG, Baltimore County, Baltimore City, Harford County, Carroll County, Calvert county, Queen Anne’s county, and a good portion of DC.

You really need to stop with this.

MLB was able to come to DC because of the former territorial broadcast rights left by the Senators.

Baltimore Colts had similar rights alongside the DC team.

There is no such provision for DC/Baltimore/NoVa for NBA and NHL - they are a single market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

you left out “vibrant” before “mixed-use development.” The magic elixir peddled by Smart Growth development as the solution for everything.

[Anonymous]

Smart Growth Development is fine but the site needs attractions not just housing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

DC already has the infrastructure so it makes sense to leave it there.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Thanks for proving the prior point. The drive from McLean Metro to PY is longer in distance and time than the drive from McLean Metro to Capital One Arena. 17 miles to 13 miles. 22 to 20 minutes. And that small differential does not take into account the traffic congestion at PY. But, perhaps, those wealthy McLean residents will use the parking lot shuttle (not) or take the Metro (also longer in time, not). The simple fact is that Route 1 has only limited access. This is no a NoVa versus issue.

If 2 minutes is the deal breaker for you, I don't know to tell you. FYI, we don't all live in McLean. Yes, I know you heard of McLean from a friend, but Fairfax County has about a million other residents.

That is 2 minutes in rote time, not rush hour time.

Ummm, does Gallery Place have some protectivew bubble around it during rush hour? Is it immune from traffic or does traffic only exist in Potomac Yards?

DP. You seem unfamiliar with the accessibility of both locations. Go check a road map & metro map.

Are you unable or unwilling to answer the question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t seen it mentioned yet in this 98-page thread, but another consideration for this project is the proposed expansion of the blue line, which is currently WMATA’s top-ranked for future metro expansion.

This option would build a new tunnel under the Potomac and separate the Blue Line under M Street between Georgetown and Union Station.

It would also create a dozen new stations including a second Rosslyn station, Georgetown, West End, another Farragut station, two unnamed stations between Farragut and Union Station, Buzzard Point, St. Elizabeth’s, Bolling AFB, Forest Heights, Oxen Hill and National Harbor. It would also increase the number of transit options available near Audi Field and other development in that part of the city.

New [Blue line] transfer points include Rosslyn, Farragut, Mt Vernon Square, Union Station, Capitol South, and Navy Yard.

Sources:
https://dcist.com/story/23/07/10/will-metro-expand-more/
https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/09/26/dc-metro-expansion-georgetown
https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/plans/BOS-Capacity-Reliability-Study/BOS-Concepts.cfm

No tunnel will ever built dug under the Potomac. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t seen it mentioned yet in this 98-page thread, but another consideration for this project is the proposed expansion of the blue line, which is currently WMATA’s top-ranked for future metro expansion.

This option would build a new tunnel under the Potomac and separate the Blue Line under M Street between Georgetown and Union Station.

It would also create a dozen new stations including a second Rosslyn station, Georgetown, West End, another Farragut station, two unnamed stations between Farragut and Union Station, Buzzard Point, St. Elizabeth’s, Bolling AFB, Forest Heights, Oxen Hill and National Harbor. It would also increase the number of transit options available near Audi Field and other development in that part of the city.

New [Blue line] transfer points include Rosslyn, Farragut, Mt Vernon Square, Union Station, Capitol South, and Navy Yard.

Sources:
https://dcist.com/story/23/07/10/will-metro-expand-more/
https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/09/26/dc-metro-expansion-georgetown
https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/plans/BOS-Capacity-Reliability-Study/BOS-Concepts.cfm

No tunnel will ever built dug under the Potomac. Ever.

It'd be a lot likelier if Virginia is suddenly spending huge amounts on this new sports complex that they're heavily invested in making sure people from D.C. and Maryland can get to. I wish this move wasn't happening, but it could have some unexpected other ramifications.

[Anonymous]

When the Commanders move they will likely stay in MD. There are two possible sites for a stadium and commercial development: West of MGM including surface parking lots and the Tangier outlets site and a location to the south, on surface parking lots west of the Gaylord. The location is well served by highways, hotels, and Metro is not far.

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

It is time for DC to get out of the subsidizing Ted business. Let Nova tax payers do that to the tune of $3.5 billion.

I have never seen a vibrant neighborhood around a spot complex. On games night it’s a lot of people pre and post gaming(getting drunk) and on the non game nights it is an empty waste land. The restaurants and bars depended on the the game nights are low quality places and do not draw people to the area.

For the life of me why would Alexandria want to tie up this much land and money with Amazon supposedly driving growth in the area. Maybe it would make sense out in Loudon country, Fredericksburg or Richmond but not Alexandria. You will just end up with what you have now in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the Commanders move they will likely stay in MD. There are two possible sites for a stadium and commercial development: West of MGM including surface parking lots and the Tangier outlets site and a location to the south, on surface parking lots west of the Gaylord. The location is well served by highways, hotels, and Metro is not far.

If this prompted a streetcar line from downtown, across the Douglass Bridge (which was built for it) and to National Harbor, I would actually think that could be a great solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the Commanders move they will likely stay in MD. There are two possible sites for a stadium and commercial development: West of MGM including surface parking lots and the Tangier outlets site and a location to the south, on surface parking lots west of the Gaylord. The location is well served by highways, hotels, and Metro is not far.

"Metro is not far"

https://www.wmata.com/schedules/timetables/upload/NH1_220529.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

Outstanding idea!

There could even be room for a small mom-and-pop hockey team or basketball co-op.