Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about the dancing scene:

While I will admit I am one of the people who does think she looks uncomfortable and is pulling away in that footage, I agree with people who don't think what we see in that footage rises to the level of harassment. On its own, it just looks like they don't agree on how the scene should be filmed and don't like each other much, but it doesn't look like harassment.

However:

In Lively's complaint, she says that after they filmed that scene, she voiced her issues with the way Justin handled it and he responded by saying "I'm not even attracted to you." I think that context is more problematic than what we see in the camera footage, because if Lively expressed her discomfort with the amount of physicality in the scene, or the fact that it wasn't discussed beforehand, and that was Justin's response, that *is* getting into sexual harassment territory for me.

But all we have is her allegation, I'd want to hear from witnesses, etc. I'm just pointing out that focusing just on what we see on camera leaves out context that might ultimately be very important. Obviously, they are playing intimate partners in the movie. There will be physical touching. But if Justin spoke that way during a professional discussion about the physical intimacy in the movie, this is concerning to me. That is not professional or appropriate.

You are tacitly admitting you think someone is a sexual harasser if they decide to defend themselves

Nope, not even a little.

"I'm not even attracted to you" is not a defense for sexual harassment.

If an actor tells her director and costar that they are uncomfortable with the level of physical contact in a scene, or don't like how the physical contact was handled, that is a workplace complaint about working conditions and should be taken seriously even if you disagree. Dismissing it as though it's okay as long as you aren't trying to f*** them ignores that person's bodily autonomy, and unnecessarily personalizes and sexualizes a conversation that should just be about workplace boundaries.

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The people here who were defending Elyse Dorsey as an imperfect victim lost all credibility on what constitutes sexual harassment, so it's hard to take some of you seriously. That was a woman who cheated on her husband and lashed out against a man she was obsessed with for not being that into her.

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Anonymous wrote:The people here who were defending Elyse Dorsey as an imperfect victim lost all credibility on what constitutes sexual harassment, so it's hard to take some of you seriously. That was a woman who cheated on her husband and lashed out against a man she was obsessed with for not being that into her.

I don't view Dorsey as being relevant to this case as all.

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Anonymous wrote:1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things?

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe.

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about.

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant.

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.

Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also.

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After seeing the video footage and reports of what was actually worn in the birth scene, I just don't consider Blake to be a reliable narrator in any respect.

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Anonymous wrote:1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things?

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe.

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about.

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant.

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.

Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also.

Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?

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Anonymous wrote:After seeing the video footage and reports of what was actually worn in the birth scene, I just don't consider Blake to be a reliable narrator in any respect.

I agree. She just does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. She has not earned it.

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Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?

+1000

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If you are not seeing her trying to pull away from him when he is coming in closer, and talking and talking and making eye contact to try to get him from stopping that, I don't know what to tell you.

I guess I could also ask you in turn why you would believe the guy who filed a lawsuit against the woman who claimed he had sexually harassed her, for $400 million dollars -- when such defamation lawsuits are long recognized as retaliatory attempts to shut their victims up, and when the court dismissed all of his claims in full for legal and factual deficiencies that Baldoni was warned about but failed to correct.

I already know, though: the answer will be some version of "a good man getting his good name ruined" blah blah blah. Where'd all his claims about that go, then? Oh, wait, your response to that is that clearly the judge is biased. *sigh*

He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has not earned it.

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Anonymous wrote:1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things?

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe.

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about.

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant.

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.

Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also.

Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?

Right: "you smell good" vs. "you smell SO good" is clearly a hanging offense!!!

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Anonymous wrote:1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things?

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe.

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about.

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant.

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.

Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also.

Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?

Right: "you smell good" vs. "you smell SO good" is clearly a hanging offense!!!

Agree with this. Yes the video looks a little different from what she described in her complaint. But not dramatically so and she seems to have remembered the incident with quite a bit of accuracy, especially given that she clearly did not have access to the video footage. Nothing in the video makes me look at her complaint and say "she lied!"

The video did change my perception of that incident, which is a good thing. More information is always better. From reading Lively's complaint, I thought the incident sounded weird and uncomfortable but I also couldn't understand Baldoni's motivations. He seemed erratic an off-putting in a way that was hard to imagine. After watching the video, I better understood his behavior. He is irritated with her. I still think his behavior is inappropriate, simply because it is not appropriate to force a costar into being more physically intimate in a scene than they want to be, without further discussion beforehand. But he's not doing it because he's coming onto her. I think he is trying to exert control over the shoot and over her, and he's using the physicality to exercise his directorial control. He's annoyed with her for arguing with him and the pulling her in and nuzzling her face and neck is an expression of his annoyance.

Which is likely why it felt so hostile to Blake. And he's a director who is annoyed with his actress, with the added complication that he's IN the scene with that actress, has his arms around her, and can act out that frustration via physical "affection." That's a very uncomfortable and weird dynamic.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are not seeing her trying to pull away from him when he is coming in closer, and talking and talking and making eye contact to try to get him from stopping that, I don't know what to tell you.

I guess I could also ask you in turn why you would believe the guy who filed a lawsuit against the woman who claimed he had sexually harassed her, for $400 million dollars -- when such defamation lawsuits are long recognized as retaliatory attempts to shut their victims up, and when the court dismissed all of his claims in full for legal and factual deficiencies that Baldoni was warned about but failed to correct.

I already know, though: the answer will be some version of "a good man getting his good name ruined" blah blah blah. Where'd all his claims about that go, then? Oh, wait, your response to that is that clearly the judge is biased. *sigh*

He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has not earned it.

It was a dancing scene where they're supposed to be falling in love. Enough. He has earned the benefit of the doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are not seeing her trying to pull away from him when he is coming in closer, and talking and talking and making eye contact to try to get him from stopping that, I don't know what to tell you.

I guess I could also ask you in turn why you would believe the guy who filed a lawsuit against the woman who claimed he had sexually harassed her, for $400 million dollars -- when such defamation lawsuits are long recognized as retaliatory attempts to shut their victims up, and when the court dismissed all of his claims in full for legal and factual deficiencies that Baldoni was warned about but failed to correct.

I already know, though: the answer will be some version of "a good man getting his good name ruined" blah blah blah. Where'd all his claims about that go, then? Oh, wait, your response to that is that clearly the judge is biased. *sigh*

He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has not earned it.

He doesn’t need the benefit of the doubt, he has video footage that straight up showed she was lying. And she conceded the point, by amending her complaint to change that allegation. It’s called receipts.

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Anonymous wrote:1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things?

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe.

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about.

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant.

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.

Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also.

Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?

Right: "you smell good" vs. "you smell SO good" is clearly a hanging offense!!!

Agree with this. Yes the video looks a little different from what she described in her complaint. But not dramatically so and she seems to have remembered the incident with quite a bit of accuracy, especially given that she clearly did not have access to the video footage. Nothing in the video makes me look at her complaint and say "she lied!"

The video did change my perception of that incident, which is a good thing. More information is always better. From reading Lively's complaint, I thought the incident sounded weird and uncomfortable but I also couldn't understand Baldoni's motivations. He seemed erratic an off-putting in a way that was hard to imagine. After watching the video, I better understood his behavior. He is irritated with her. I still think his behavior is inappropriate, simply because it is not appropriate to force a costar into being more physically intimate in a scene than they want to be, without further discussion beforehand. But he's not doing it because he's coming onto her. I think he is trying to exert control over the shoot and over her, and he's using the physicality to exercise his directorial control. He's annoyed with her for arguing with him and the pulling her in and nuzzling her face and neck is an expression of his annoyance.

Which is likely why it felt so hostile to Blake. And he's a director who is annoyed with his actress, with the added complication that he's IN the scene with that actress, has his arms around her, and can act out that frustration via physical "affection." That's a very uncomfortable and weird dynamic.

The rest of the world feels differently. She lied and she changed her complaint. You Blake fans truly are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things?

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe.

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about.

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant.

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.

Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also.

Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?

Right: "you smell good" vs. "you smell SO good" is clearly a hanging offense!!!

Oh please, the issue was he said not because he was flirting but because she said her lotion smelled bad. She presented it in the original complaint completely out of context.