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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1) I still don't think it's a coincidence that the only place Blake didn't have trouble with Justin during the first half of the movie was on the plane with her children. Twisting claims about the plane ride would be a bridge too far for her, especially because it could involve her children having to give testimony.

2) For those of us who do believe she lied about being SH'd, I do wonder why she stopped with the claims during the second half of the movie? Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why not just continue twisting things? [/quote]

PP answering my own questions now, but I guess it's because she got what she wanted. That's the thing though: Justin Baldoni is apparently such a sex pest and lacks such self-preservation instincts that he's willing to harass the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, but he magically stops during the second half of the movie? If he was brazen enough to lack self-control during the first half of the movie, he wouldn't magically stop during the second half. If anyone can truly be harassed by anyone, then we'd have to concede that fact patterns don't matter and sexual harassment is not worthy of academic study. It's not worth looking into any patterns because any man could start spontaneously harassing you. If people truly believed this, I think this would ironically discourage people from looking into any "red flags," making them even more unsafe. [/quote]

Maybe I'm not the right person to ask because I think it probably wasn't at the level of SH but I can see a scenario where she thought he was being creepy or weird, she complained, and in part because of who she's married to, and because of the 17 points, he was then extremely careful to basically not do anything even close to the behavior she complained about. [/quote]

I think this is what happened as well. Also haven't we heard rumors that Ryan was on set for much of the second half of filming? Prior to that he was not there because he was filming his own movie, but post-strike he was in NY and could have been more present. That would change power dynamics a lot, I imagine. You do wonder if some of the stuff that she alleges happened early in shooting (especially the apparent conflict over touching in the dancing scene, and the debate over the birth scene) would have unfolded the same way if Ryan had been around. I'm betting not.[/quote]

Pp. I don't think Ryan would have changed anything in the dance scene because IMO, in the video, Justin is literally doing nothing wrong. I think he would act the same in front of her husband because in the video he acts like a man who knows he is being filmed. Which he is. You are probably one of the people who thinks Blake was uncomfortable and pulling away, and I won't presume to read her mind, but objectively that doesn't meet a reasonable person standard. Birth scene, I don't know because their accounts differ and the only other person who spoke out is his actor friend. Would need to see video or hear from someone on the crew who is neutral or works with Blake like her assistant. [/quote]

“Objectively that doesn’t meet a reasonable person standard” lol 👌 [/quote]

Yes? That's literally what the reasonable person standard is. And you know my post was much more sympathetic to Lively than most posters here would be.
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Reasonable person is the standard, but to insist that YOU  are the reasonable person here is what I find funny.

But if you were the person saying that someone could think his behavior in the video wasn’t bad but that his behavior AFTER the video when she talked to him about it was bad, I do agree with that also. [/quote]

Why would one believe her account of what happened after the video when her recounting of what was said during the scene was proven inaccurate by the video footage?[/quote]

Right:  "you smell good" vs. "you smell SO good" is clearly a hanging offense!!![/quote]

Agree with this. Yes the video looks a little different from what she described in her complaint. But not dramatically so and she seems to have remembered the incident with quite a bit of accuracy, especially given that she clearly did not have access to the video footage. Nothing in the video makes me look at her complaint and say "she lied!"

The video did change my perception of that incident, which is a good thing. More information is always better. From reading Lively's complaint, I thought the incident sounded weird and uncomfortable but I also couldn't understand Baldoni's motivations. He seemed erratic an off-putting in a way that was hard to imagine. After watching the video, I better understood his behavior. He is irritated with her. I still think his behavior is inappropriate, simply because it is not appropriate to force a costar into being more physically intimate in a scene than they want to be, without further discussion beforehand. But he's not doing it because he's coming onto her. I think he is trying to exert control over the shoot and over her, and he's using the physicality to exercise his directorial control. He's annoyed with her for arguing with him and the pulling her in and nuzzling her face and neck is an expression of his annoyance.

Which is likely why it felt so hostile to Blake. And he's a director who is annoyed with his actress, with the added complication that he's IN the scene with that actress, has his arms around her, and can act out that frustration via physical "affection." That's a very uncomfortable and weird dynamic.

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