Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

I think it’s imminently fair. Times have shifted. As the article I linked says, we didn’t have the words for this back then and the girls tended to blame themselves for it. What else would men be so angry about, as referenced in the Washington Post article about men’s fear and anger, if they themselves haven’t done these things? My husband hasn’t done this stuff. He has no anger or fear - except anger that once again the victims are being blamed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

To the pp, thank you - this helps me to understand how others feel about this. I view the entire affair as a tragedy.

It was not a lynching. Putting aside the sexual assaults, perjury, and concealed documents, we cannot have a Supreme Court Justice who thinks an entire political party conspired against him. The Clintons have zero to do with his predicament, he showed himself unfit by arguing otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kavanaugh can lie under oath. No one will stop him. No one cares about the truth any more. Case in point: Trump. White men can lie all they want with no consequences. There is no one to do anything.

The problem is that a president who lies is bad enough. But, when you have a judge who has repeatedly lied, it seems impossible for him to demand the truth from people testifying/making arguments. People will be able to rationalize it - and why not? But, for all of his defenders, herein lies the problem: He can do it, but not you.

This. And it's the blatant lying with impunity from the POTUS (and apparently now an acceptable standard for a SCJ) but also the complete contempt and antipathy for the political opposition.

Trump doesn't lead America - he has total contempt for most American voters (if you take that registered Democrats outnumber Republicans and presumably some portion of Independents align with Democratic ideals). Kavanaugh showed his true partisan colors in the hearing on 9/27 and that he is not a judge that can be counted upon to be unbiased.

That is scary and all of us, regardless of political affiliation should be concerned. That undermines the institutions we are counting on to preserve our republic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

This is a great story. Thank you for the link.

You’re welcome.

[Anonymous]

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So true. And the worst thing is that certain elements of the Blessed Sacrament community have started referring to "Coach K" as "Coach Rapey." How cruel!


And them now starting to call him Coach Rapey is troubling too. It's just wrong!


and unfortunately growing in popularity, day by day. It's all "Coach Rapey" this and "Coach Rapey" that. What was wrong with Coach K???

Troubling and terribly unfair. Coach Rapey is not appropriate. Time to stop using it in the community, sarcasm or not.

Coach Barney Gumble, then?

[Anonymous]

“My whole life, I've heard you're innocent until proven guilty. But now you're guilty until proven innocent....I say that it's a very scary time for young men in America"

-Donald J Trump ( the guy who still encourages chants of lock her up, who still thinks the Central Park 5 are guilty, and who insisted Obama was a fake American)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

But how do you reconcile that with that teenagers are often tried as adults, and convicted and sentenced to adult sentences? Do you not agree with that at all?

I don't agree with that at all. I know that my view is not universally held nor universally followed, but I believe that minors should be tried as juveniles, not as adults. (From what little I know about Kavanaugh's jurisprudence, I don't think he would agree with me either, btw. That doesn't change my view.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Graham so desperate to seat Kavanaugh? Does he also need his supreme help to dodge justice?

He's in some devil's pact with Trump. We're just not sure why yet...

That would be a Devils Triangle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

I think it’s imminently fair. Times have shifted. As the article I linked says, we didn’t have the words for this back then and the girls tended to blame themselves for it. What else would men be so angry about, as referenced in the Washington Post article about men’s fear and anger, if they themselves haven’t done these things? My husband hasn’t done this stuff. He has no anger or fear - except anger that once again the victims are being blamed.

Your husband also is not in a he said she said Washington DC circlefest with the media churning false narratives and innuendo to sell web traffic. Keep that in mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

But how do you reconcile that with that teenagers are often tried as adults, and convicted and sentenced to adult sentences? Do you not agree with that at all?

I don't agree with that at all. I know that my view is not universally held nor universally followed, but I believe that minors should be tried as juveniles, not as adults. (From what little I know about Kavanaugh's jurisprudence, I don't think he would agree with me either, btw. That doesn't change my view.)

And the what is your view on the accusations of Ms. Ramirez? Is what he did enough - he was a legal adult - to keep him from the supreme court? If someone shook their penis in your face, so close that you have to touch it to get away, is that enough?

Just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

I think it’s imminently fair. Times have shifted. As the article I linked says, we didn’t have the words for this back then and the girls tended to blame themselves for it. What else would men be so angry about, as referenced in the Washington Post article about men’s fear and anger, if they themselves haven’t done these things? My husband hasn’t done this stuff. He has no anger or fear - except anger that once again the victims are being blamed.

Same. But my DH treats women like human beings, worth of respect, and not vaginas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

To the pp, thank you - this helps me to understand how others feel about this. I view the entire affair as a tragedy.

Hyperbole much?

He's trying to be on the Supreme Court. He lied, misled and avoided answering in response to question after question. As a member of the federal judiciary, he is expected to behave beyond reproach. "A judge must expect to be the subject of constant public scrutiny and accept freely and willingly restrictions that might be viewed as burdensome by the ordinary citizen." He failed.

But, here's an essay by his good friend and colleague Benjamin Wittes who has come to the conclusion that after Kavanaugh's performance at the hearing he no longer supports his nomination.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/why-i-wouldnt-confirm-brett-kavanaugh/571936/

Faced with credible allegations of serious misconduct against him, Kavanaugh behaved in a fashion unacceptable in a justice, it seems preponderantly likely he was not candid with the Senate Judiciary Committee on important matters, and the risk of Ford’s allegations being closer to the truth than his denial of them is simply too high to place him on the Supreme Court.

YOWZERS!!!! Wittes spoke out against the nomination???
Yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

I think it’s imminently fair. Times have shifted. As the article I linked says, we didn’t have the words for this back then and the girls tended to blame themselves for it. What else would men be so angry about, as referenced in the Washington Post article about men’s fear and anger, if they themselves haven’t done these things? My husband hasn’t done this stuff. He has no anger or fear - except anger that once again the victims are being blamed.

Your husband also is not in a he said she said Washington DC circlefest with the media churning false narratives and innuendo to sell web traffic. Keep that in mind.

Nor would he be. The only person responsible for this he said-she said, the only person responsible for the arguments about his credibility, temperment, etc., is Brett Kavanaugh. He may not like it but he is responsible for how he acted and is acting, how others are reacting, and how people are viewing it. No one else. Him.

You may be able to have him rammed through to SCOTUS. But, he will ALWAYS have an asterisk next to his name. As he should. And the GOP will always be the party that put 2 men who were credibly accused of harassing and/or assaulting women on SCOTUS. Congrats on that. I can tell you that, as a result, you've cemented my voting preferences forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion is this piece. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1485754002 I know we’re on to the next Kavanaugh scandal, but for all those who doubt Dr. Ford, here’s another account with a very similar situation.

I think this is hard for a lot of women to whom this happened, but who support Kavanaugh, because they really haven’t reframed what happened to them, they still take it on as their fault. I think this is hard for a lot of the men who did this stuff and support Kavanaugh because they can’t accept that what they did when they were teens wasn’t fun stuff, it was sexual assault.

I'm a woman who thinks that something happened but that neither Ford nor Kavanaugh may remember it clearly after all this time. I don't think that's fair to say that men struggle with this because they can't accept that it wasn't just fun, it was sexual assault. I think that teenagers do all sorts of things and ideally learn in the process, and I don't think that actions as teenagers need to be atoned for forever as adults. I think Kavanaugh's response now is the important one, not whatever he did or did not do 30-some years ago.

I think it’s imminently fair. Times have shifted. As the article I linked says, we didn’t have the words for this back then and the girls tended to blame themselves for it. What else would men be so angry about, as referenced in the Washington Post article about men’s fear and anger, if they themselves haven’t done these things? My husband hasn’t done this stuff. He has no anger or fear - except anger that once again the victims are being blamed.

Your husband also is not in a he said she said Washington DC circlefest with the media churning false narratives and innuendo to sell web traffic. Keep that in mind.

So far the only PROVEN false narratives have been the story cooked up by Whelan of mistaken identity. But carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of investigation is the FBI doing if they're not responding to people sending evidence?

NBC News reached out to Berchem for comment after obtaining a copy of a memo she wrote about the text messages. In a statement to NBC News, Berchem, a partner in the law firm Akin Gump, said: “I understand that President Trump and the U.S. Senate have ordered an FBI investigation into certain allegations of sexual misconduct by the nominee Brett Kavanaugh. I have no direct or indirect knowledge about any of the allegations against him. However, I am in receipt of text messages from a mutual friend of both Debbie and mine that raise questions related to the allegations. I have not drawn any conclusions as to what the texts may mean or may not mean but I do believe they merit investigation by the FBI and the Senate."

On Sunday, Berchem emailed FBI agent J.C. McDonough her memo. After getting no response, she resent the summary on Monday morning along with screenshots of certain texts that she thinks raise questions that should be investigated. “I’m sure he’s really busy and expect that he’ll get back to me,” said Berchem.

Berchem’s memo outlining her correspondence with Yarasavage shows there’s a circle of Kavanaugh friends who may have pertinent information and evidence relevant to the inquiry who may not be interviewed. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has already set in motion a vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination on the Senate floor for later this week.

I think the word you are looking for is SHAM.

Um no. She isn’t. She is a practice group partner head at a global law firm. Look at the press reports.