So what happens when the Federal government can’t issue Nov Food Stamps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Food Pantry lines and millions of dollars in theft at grocery stores

Even if you think every food stamp recipient (including kids and seniors) are just lazy, you (general you) don’t think this is going to have far reaching repercussions for the rest of society?

Absolutely has repercussions for all of society.

They have that society in India, and other places. Where the income disparity is so vast, and you are so desensitized against the presence of abject poverty that you step over dying kids, whether starving or injured is irrelevant, without a second thought.

I would hate living in such a society.

You already live in that society, except most suburban dwellers can avoid the visuals by commuting in their cars.

Also we need to stop talking about “The economy”. There are two economies: one that includes 20% of the US population but 80% of its capital, and another that consists of struggling Americans who have very little capital. Politicians and investors have written off the latter - they simply no longer matter for the creation of capital, any more than stray dogs or raccoons in your neighborhood.

Nope, you are wrong. We are not at that level of societal callousness that other countries have (and we do not want that here!). You have no idea what you are talking about and no experience - what visuals? I’ve seen all the visuals you can imagine, here and elsewhere. The U.S. is NOT currently a society where an obviously injured person is lying on a street, and nobody stops to help at all, and where they are not picked up by the ambulance, and they are not given emergency care. Nobody in the U.S. has marasmus or kwashiorkor. There are no kids working in brutal conditions at age 5 who never have the hope to learn to read because they are deemed unworthy from birth due to their low status. I could go on. We are far from that, and do not want any of that here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

I think it’s the corporate and billionaire tax cuts that are unsustainable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people are still working expecting to be paid later but that's only going to happen for so long before people have to start calling in sick to force the government to furlough them so they can work another job during the shutdown. What happens when social security call centers stop taking calls or the IRS or any number of other agencies stop functioning? Most American's can't work for months on end without pay.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fednews/comments/1oo5hrl/excepted_going_to_run_out_of_money/

Call your Democrat Senators and tell them to end the shutdown.

Absolutely not. The money is there. Trump is choosing not to use it. Trump is choosing to let Americans go hungry while building ballrooms, throwing parties, and golfing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

I think it’s the corporate and billionaire tax cuts that are unsustainable.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

No. This country has enough wealth and resources to guarantee every single person a minimum floor of quality of life. Food, safe quality shelter, education, and healthcare. The money exists. What is unsustainable is average taxpayers subsidizing sub living wages, only for corporations to funnel money to the 1%, and for our government to funnel billions upon billions of dollars into the military industrial complex.

Every other western democracy has figured this out. It is not a matter of ability, it is a matter of will. We the people need to start demanding that our government start working for US again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

This should be obvious, but magical wishful thinking that "someone else", e.g. the rich, will happily pay endlessly for everyone else, is a difficult fantasy to put an end to - it's just too appealing - everything will be free!

[Anonymous]

Not sure why some of these programs are not connected ESSENTIAL and payments continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

This should be obvious, but magical wishful thinking that "someone else", e.g. the rich, will happily pay endlessly for everyone else, is a difficult fantasy to put an end to - it's just too appealing - everything will be free!

We don't need to give them a choice. If you want to exist as part of society, if you want to benefit from the labor of others, you don't get to hoard resources. End of story. They'll have to fvking share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why some of these programs are not connected ESSENTIAL and payments continue.

They usually are. The money has been appropriated. The administration is simply choosing to let people go hungry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

This should be obvious, but magical wishful thinking that "someone else", e.g. the rich, will happily pay endlessly for everyone else, is a difficult fantasy to put an end to - it's just too appealing - everything will be free!

We don't need to give them a choice. If you want to exist as part of society, if you want to benefit from the labor of others, you don't get to hoard resources. End of story. They'll have to fvking share.

Oooh you are cursing, so that means you are right and we must agree with you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

I think it’s the corporate and billionaire tax cuts that are unsustainable.

Right????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

No. This country has enough wealth and resources to guarantee every single person a minimum floor of quality of life. Food, safe quality shelter, education, and healthcare. The money exists. What is unsustainable is average taxpayers subsidizing sub living wages, only for corporations to funnel money to the 1%, and for our government to funnel billions upon billions of dollars into the military industrial complex.

Every other western democracy has figured this out. It is not a matter of ability, it is a matter of will. We the people need to start demanding that our government start working for US again.

Not with the amount of immigration with have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

No. This country has enough wealth and resources to guarantee every single person a minimum floor of quality of life. Food, safe quality shelter, education, and healthcare. The money exists. What is unsustainable is average taxpayers subsidizing sub living wages, only for corporations to funnel money to the 1%, and for our government to funnel billions upon billions of dollars into the military industrial complex.

Every other western democracy has figured this out. It is not a matter of ability, it is a matter of will. We the people need to start demanding that our government start working for US again.

The money is where it was earned. Arbitrarily reallocating further it will result in those doing the earning deciding there's no point in continuing. The earning class pays almost all taxes as it is. The taking class pays almost nothing. Or, you can follow the Nordic mopdel, where everyone is taxed out the wazoo, and almost nobody has a very high standard of living - everything is uniformly lower middle class. The lower class would be delighted with such a change, the rest not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people even got tattoos years ago and then fell on hard times and qualify for snap now. Weird that people are fixating on things that are not necessarily indicators of people's current level of need.

In a country like ours, nobody should go hungry. I can't imagine any person of genuine goodwill actually disagreeing with that statement. What is going on in this thread?

I think 95% agree with that statement. I certainly don’t want anyone to go hungry and support programs (public and private) to feed people.

However, I also believe that every individual is responsible for using their best efforts to feed themselves and their dependents before turning to government or others for assistance.

Obviously, many do and others cannot due to disability, age, etc. They should absolutely be supported.

But there’s also a portion of people (of all demographics) who don’t make that effort and/or persist in making awful life choices. The entire dispute comes down to how to deal with this group.

I get your sentiment but it's more work and cost to try to chase down and punish these people than to just provide a benefit trusting that it will be a safety net for the "right" people. If you are just interested in cost it's a no-brainer. But too many people are interested in ethics, "cheaters" and being hall monitors. I get it; it's human. But it's a scarcity view. We would do better to have a star trek plenty view.

I appreciate the point, but think we’re missing the forest for the trees. Big picture: entitlement programs (SS and Medicare in particular) are unsustainable and, if maintained at the current levels, will literally bankrupt the US.

SNAP is an inconsequential part of this, but the principle is the same: in order for society to function, everyone who is able to do so must take responsibility for themselves.

Of course we should have government support for those who can’t care for themselves, but we can and should enforce the principle to the extent possible. For the good of and indeed the survival of our society.

How much did we give Argentina? $20 billion? $40 billion?