War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the moron who bizarrely insists Iran didn’t lay mines in the Strait, here ya go.

The U.S. military is using sea drones to help clear the Strait of Hormuz of mines that might be lurking there, in a quiet effort to ease Iran’s stranglehold on the waterway and begin reopening it to commercial shipping.

Iran on Saturday closed the strait again and fired on at least two vessels to protest the American blockade of its ports. Earlier, it said any shippers allowed to cross must use new traffic lanes that swing by Iran’s coast, warning of mines in the main channels of the strait.

The military could do an initial scan for mines relatively quickly in the confines of the strait, military analysts said. After locating the mines, a second wave of sea robots could be sent out to destroy them by using explosives or by setting them off remotely.

“You can get a small channel in that area surveyed in days not weeks using Unmanned Underwater Vehicles,” said Kevin Donegan, a former U.S. Navy vice admiral and former commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet based in the Gulf.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-navy-sends-in-the-robots-to-clear-hormuz-of-mines-1c107caa?st=MKmf8w

WSJ is not a credible source.

You are not a credible person. Too funny.

Wait a week and see what maga Trump Israeli propaganda in the WSJ turns out to be false and never mentioned again. WSJ is awful quiet about Trump market manipulations announcements.

Wow, are you sure about that? Troll harder.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/how-trumps-iran-war-reversals-have-whipsawed-markets-75880272?st=7q3qFj&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/the-well-timed-trades-made-moments-before-trumps-policy-surprises-36e6963a?st=VVQZb5&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the moron who bizarrely insists Iran didn’t lay mines in the Strait, here ya go.

The U.S. military is using sea drones to help clear the Strait of Hormuz of mines that might be lurking there, in a quiet effort to ease Iran’s stranglehold on the waterway and begin reopening it to commercial shipping.

Iran on Saturday closed the strait again and fired on at least two vessels to protest the American blockade of its ports. Earlier, it said any shippers allowed to cross must use new traffic lanes that swing by Iran’s coast, warning of mines in the main channels of the strait.

The military could do an initial scan for mines relatively quickly in the confines of the strait, military analysts said. After locating the mines, a second wave of sea robots could be sent out to destroy them by using explosives or by setting them off remotely.

“You can get a small channel in that area surveyed in days not weeks using Unmanned Underwater Vehicles,” said Kevin Donegan, a former U.S. Navy vice admiral and former commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet based in the Gulf.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-navy-sends-in-the-robots-to-clear-hormuz-of-mines-1c107caa?st=MKmf8w

WSJ is not a credible source.

You are not a credible person. Too funny.

Wait a week and see what maga Trump Israeli propaganda in the WSJ turns out to be false and never mentioned again. WSJ is awful quiet about Trump market manipulations announcements.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/white-house-warns-staff-not-to-place-bets-on-prediction-markets-amid-iran-war-3780668f?eafs_enabled=false

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the group:
How can Trump get out of this and save face? Ideas?
He can’t even get them to entertain peace talks or negotiations now.

He can't. Why would Iran bother negotiating with him anyway when he's not in control and the American negotiating team is consulting with Netanyahu the entire time?

Nor does he have any credibility. He'll break any deal 60 seconds after it's signed.

Apparently tot they won’t even let Trump in the situation room.


From Meidas:

“Trump is reportedly being sidelined by his own military leaders as tensions with Iran escalate.

According to reporting, generals limited his access during a sensitive extraction mission over concerns about erratic decision-making that could put troops at risk. Meanwhile, Trump is again threatening strikes on Iranian infrastructure as Iran has fully closed the Strait of Hormuz and called out his lies.

Planned talks in Pakistan are now in doubt, with Iran signaling it won’t show up.”

Ok. I despise Trump. But if this is true (doubtful), it’s a huge problem. Civilian control of the military is absolute. The President, who like it or not is the elected representative of the people, does get to make these decisions. It’s not up to the military to disagree. It’s up to Congress, the courts, and the American people through our votes/protests/letter writing to act as the check on Trump.

Civilian control doesn't mean constantly having meetings. Trump relays orders via Hegseth

[Anonymous]

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US Navy fired on and seized Iranian-flagged vessel, Trump says

Meanwhile, the White House says US officials are headed to Pakistan for peace talks, though Iran has not publicly confirmed it will send a delegation. • Ship seizure: The US Navy fired on and seized an Iranian-flagged cargo ship that tried to bypass the US naval blockade in the Gulf of Oman, according to President Donald Trump. This marks the latest escalation in tensions over the region’s waterways, as Tehran maintains its grip on the Strait of Hormuz.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/19/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-hormuz

No word on the crew. Wonder if Hegseth ordered the crew killed or just threw them over the rail?

It's interesting that you expressed zero concern for the crew of the ships that IRAN fired on, yesterday. Remember them?

Iran has once more closed the Strait of Hormuz, deploying gunboats to deter any tankers trying to cross the chokepoint, the Associated Press reported. So far, two vessels have been struck while others have changed course to avoid the risk of attack.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-gunboats-open-fire-on-tanker-in-strait-of-hormuz-what-to-know/ar-AA21cOqu

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US seizure of Iranian cargo ship amounts to ‘declaration of war’
https://aje.news/w7b54q?update=4506338

Harlan Ullman, a senior adviser at The Atlantic Council, says that the US’s move to interdict and seize an Iranian cargo vessel amounts to a declaration of war on Iran.

“It is an act of war, quite frankly. You just don’t do that”, he told Al Jazeera. “In fact, what the United States is doing, has been, and is, in terms of international law, a declaration of war, but the US Congress doesn’t seem to accept that”.

He said that the attack on the ship is also a “violation of international law” and adds confusion to an “already confused” negotiation process between the US and Iran.

OMG The Atlantic Council !! Their opinion is as important as Ja Rule's

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US shot the engine. The ship is adrift.

Is this legal? I'm thinking not.

Nazi U-boats did the exact same thing

So did Iran. First.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US seizure of Iranian cargo ship amounts to ‘declaration of war’
https://aje.news/w7b54q?update=4506338

Harlan Ullman, a senior adviser at The Atlantic Council, says that the US’s move to interdict and seize an Iranian cargo vessel amounts to a declaration of war on Iran.

“It is an act of war, quite frankly. You just don’t do that”, he told Al Jazeera. “In fact, what the United States is doing, has been, and is, in terms of international law, a declaration of war, but the US Congress doesn’t seem to accept that”.

He said that the attack on the ship is also a “violation of international law” and adds confusion to an “already confused” negotiation process between the US and Iran.

OMG The Atlantic Council !! Their opinion is as important as Ja Rule's

That’s right! Assemble the counsel of pedophiles and morons, fire up the pedo signal at 1600!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just drop the nuke erase iran

You're a scumbag.

DP. Are you one of the scumbags who have made exactly that statement before but in reference to Israel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US seizure of Iranian cargo ship amounts to ‘declaration of war’
https://aje.news/w7b54q?update=4506338

Harlan Ullman, a senior adviser at The Atlantic Council, says that the US’s move to interdict and seize an Iranian cargo vessel amounts to a declaration of war on Iran.

“It is an act of war, quite frankly. You just don’t do that”, he told Al Jazeera. “In fact, what the United States is doing, has been, and is, in terms of international law, a declaration of war, but the US Congress doesn’t seem to accept that”.

He said that the attack on the ship is also a “violation of international law” and adds confusion to an “already confused” negotiation process between the US and Iran.

Hi, I'm Harlan Ullman. You may recognize me from such classics as "Shock and Awe" and "Russia will not invade a Ukraine"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Iranians called the US pirates! This is what happens when you associate with Israel.

No, it is what happens when you behave like a Pirate.

Except it is Iran who is the pirate. We haven't fired on any ships in the Strait.

Say that again, grandma. Oh, right. Most of you guys on here are about the dumbest, most uninformed, NeoCon/Zionists who are still stuck in the WMDs era of journalism when you could just get away w/ lying about who the aggressors are. Wait for some Op-Ed by Bret Stephens or Jennifer Rubin to tell you how to think, boomers. LOL.:


Iran war live updates: Donald Trump says US Navy has opened fire on an Iranian cargo ship


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-20/iran-war-live-updates-blockade-hormuz-us-negotiations/106581706

You know this occurred... AFTER Iran opened fire on two tankers, right? Or do actual facts just somehow escape your attention? So funny how you love to paint Iran as some kind of victim.

The British military says a cargo vessel was attacked near the Strait of Hormuz, damaging containers on board. The attack is the second on Saturday, after two gunboats from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards opened fire on a tanker transiting the key waterway.
https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-18-2026

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US seizure of Iranian cargo ship amounts to ‘declaration of war’
https://aje.news/w7b54q?update=4506338

Harlan Ullman, a senior adviser at The Atlantic Council, says that the US’s move to interdict and seize an Iranian cargo vessel amounts to a declaration of war on Iran.

“It is an act of war, quite frankly. You just don’t do that”, he told Al Jazeera. “In fact, what the United States is doing, has been, and is, in terms of international law, a declaration of war, but the US Congress doesn’t seem to accept that”.

He said that the attack on the ship is also a “violation of international law” and adds confusion to an “already confused” negotiation process between the US and Iran.

Hi, I'm Harlan Ullman. You may recognize me from such classics as "Shock and Awe" and "Russia will not invade a Ukraine"

Mar 25, 2003
Man behind shock and awe says they've got it all wrong
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/25/iraq.oliverburkeman

The military tactic of "shock and awe" has been misrepresented, and the Pentagon is partly to blame, according to the man behind the phrase - who says he would rather have pushed for a second UN resolution in any case.

The use of the phrase by US military officials has "created a Doomsday approach - the idea of terrorising everybody", says Harlan Ullman, a former navy pilot and co-author of the book Shock and Awe, in an interview with the Guardian.

"In fact, that's not the approach. The British have a much better phrase for it: effects-based operations."

The point is to break the enemy's will with an overwhelming display of military might, which might include precise attacks or accurate intelligence as well as heavy bombing. "The phrase, as used by the Pentagon now, has not been helpful," Mr Ullman says.

Even so, he would rather the tactic had not been put into practice yet. "I would have waited months, perhaps, to get a second resolution, when it would have been clear that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. I don't agree with the administration view that Iraq is a clear and present danger, an imminent threat."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Iranians called the US pirates! This is what happens when you associate with Israel.

No, it is what happens when you behave like a Pirate.

Except it is Iran who is the pirate. We haven't fired on any ships in the Strait.

Say that again, grandma. Oh, right. Most of you guys on here are about the dumbest, most uninformed, NeoCon/Zionists who are still stuck in the WMDs era of journalism when you could just get away w/ lying about who the aggressors are. Wait for some Op-Ed by Bret Stephens or Jennifer Rubin to tell you how to think, boomers. LOL.:


Iran war live updates: Donald Trump says US Navy has opened fire on an Iranian cargo ship


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-20/iran-war-live-updates-blockade-hormuz-us-negotiations/106581706

You know this occurred... AFTER Iran opened fire on two tankers, right? Or do actual facts just somehow escape your attention? So funny how you love to paint Iran as some kind of victim.

The British military says a cargo vessel was attacked near the Strait of Hormuz, damaging containers on board. The attack is the second on Saturday, after two gunboats from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards opened fire on a tanker transiting the key waterway.
https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-18-2026

Why did Iran fire on the ships? You left that part out.

Because the US effectively broke the ceasefire by blocking Iranian ports and allowing the Israenazis to commit war crimes in Lebanon. America and Israel started the war last year and have reneged on negotiations 3 times. This is not Iran's war to start but Iran is allowed to conduct the war as it sees fit as long as the zionists keep breaking international law and committing war crimes. They are merely a re-actor to the fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Iranians called the US pirates! This is what happens when you associate with Israel.

No, it is what happens when you behave like a Pirate.

Except it is Iran who is the pirate. We haven't fired on any ships in the Strait.

Say that again, grandma. Oh, right. Most of you guys on here are about the dumbest, most uninformed, NeoCon/Zionists who are still stuck in the WMDs era of journalism when you could just get away w/ lying about who the aggressors are. Wait for some Op-Ed by Bret Stephens or Jennifer Rubin to tell you how to think, boomers. LOL.:


Iran war live updates: Donald Trump says US Navy has opened fire on an Iranian cargo ship


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-20/iran-war-live-updates-blockade-hormuz-us-negotiations/106581706

You know this occurred... AFTER Iran opened fire on two tankers, right? Or do actual facts just somehow escape your attention? So funny how you love to paint Iran as some kind of victim.

The British military says a cargo vessel was attacked near the Strait of Hormuz, damaging containers on board. The attack is the second on Saturday, after two gunboats from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards opened fire on a tanker transiting the key waterway.
https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-18-2026

Why did Iran fire on the ships? You left that part out.

Because the US effectively broke the ceasefire by blocking Iranian ports and allowing the Israenazis to commit war crimes in Lebanon. America and Israel started the war last year and have reneged on negotiations 3 times. This is not Iran's war to start but Iran is allowed to conduct the war as it sees fit as long as the zionists keep breaking international law and committing war crimes. They are merely a re-actor to the fight.

Why did Iran fire on the ships? Because the ships dared to try and traverse the Strait after Iran first declared it open, and then reneged by saying it was closed and only they control it. That's why. It's really entertaining to see you constantly spluttering and trying to spin this narrative that poor Iran is the victim here. THEY reneged on opening the Strait up and then decided to fire on any ships who wouldn't listen. Sure, Iran can "conduct the war as it sees fit" - and so can we. Iran opened fire on ships first. Deal with it.

Iran reversed its decision to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and fired on a tanker attempting to pass the waterway on Saturday. It also warned that it would continue to block transit through the strait as long as the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports remained in effect.

Iran’s joint military command said on Saturday that “control of the Strait of Hormuz has returned to its previous state ... under strict management and control of the armed forces.”

Two gunboats from Iran’s Revolutionary Guard opened fire on a tanker transiting the Strait of Hormuz, the British military’s United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations center said. It reported the tanker and crew as safe, without identifying the vessel or its destination. TankerTrackers.com reported vessels were forced to turn around in the strait, including an Indian-flagged supertanker, after they were fired on by Iran.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-latest-iranian-gunboats-fire-on-tanker-in-strait-of-hormuz-as-iran-reimposes-restrictions/ar-AA21aHOa

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Iranians called the US pirates! This is what happens when you associate with Israel.

No, it is what happens when you behave like a Pirate.

Except it is Iran who is the pirate. We haven't fired on any ships in the Strait.

Say that again, grandma. Oh, right. Most of you guys on here are about the dumbest, most uninformed, NeoCon/Zionists who are still stuck in the WMDs era of journalism when you could just get away w/ lying about who the aggressors are. Wait for some Op-Ed by Bret Stephens or Jennifer Rubin to tell you how to think, boomers. LOL.:


Iran war live updates: Donald Trump says US Navy has opened fire on an Iranian cargo ship


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-20/iran-war-live-updates-blockade-hormuz-us-negotiations/106581706

You know this occurred... AFTER Iran opened fire on two tankers, right? Or do actual facts just somehow escape your attention? So funny how you love to paint Iran as some kind of victim.

The British military says a cargo vessel was attacked near the Strait of Hormuz, damaging containers on board. The attack is the second on Saturday, after two gunboats from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards opened fire on a tanker transiting the key waterway.
https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-18-2026

Why did Iran fire on the ships? You left that part out.

Because the US effectively broke the ceasefire by blocking Iranian ports and allowing the Israenazis to commit war crimes in Lebanon. America and Israel started the war last year and have reneged on negotiations 3 times. This is not Iran's war to start but Iran is allowed to conduct the war as it sees fit as long as the zionists keep breaking international law and committing war crimes. They are merely a re-actor to the fight.

Why did Iran fire on the ships? Because the ships dared to try and traverse the Strait after Iran first declared it open, and then reneged by saying it was closed and only they control it. That's why. It's really entertaining to see you constantly spluttering and trying to spin this narrative that poor Iran is the victim here. THEY reneged on opening the Strait up and then decided to fire on any ships who wouldn't listen. Sure, Iran can "conduct the war as it sees fit" - and so can we. Iran opened fire on ships first. Deal with it.

Iran reversed its decision to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and fired on a tanker attempting to pass the waterway on Saturday. It also warned that it would continue to block transit through the strait as long as the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports remained in effect.

Iran’s joint military command said on Saturday that “control of the Strait of Hormuz has returned to its previous state ... under strict management and control of the armed forces.”

Two gunboats from Iran’s Revolutionary Guard opened fire on a tanker transiting the Strait of Hormuz, the British military’s United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations center said. It reported the tanker and crew as safe, without identifying the vessel or its destination. TankerTrackers.com reported vessels were forced to turn around in the strait, including an Indian-flagged supertanker, after they were fired on by Iran.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-latest-iranian-gunboats-fire-on-tanker-in-strait-of-hormuz-as-iran-reimposes-restrictions/ar-AA21aHOa

The previous poster correctly stated that Israel broke the ceasefire so the strait was closed. It's really not complicated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the moron who bizarrely insists Iran didn’t lay mines in the Strait, here ya go.

The U.S. military is using sea drones to help clear the Strait of Hormuz of mines that might be lurking there, in a quiet effort to ease Iran’s stranglehold on the waterway and begin reopening it to commercial shipping.

Iran on Saturday closed the strait again and fired on at least two vessels to protest the American blockade of its ports. Earlier, it said any shippers allowed to cross must use new traffic lanes that swing by Iran’s coast, warning of mines in the main channels of the strait.

The military could do an initial scan for mines relatively quickly in the confines of the strait, military analysts said. After locating the mines, a second wave of sea robots could be sent out to destroy them by using explosives or by setting them off remotely.

“You can get a small channel in that area surveyed in days not weeks using Unmanned Underwater Vehicles,” said Kevin Donegan, a former U.S. Navy vice admiral and former commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet based in the Gulf.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-navy-sends-in-the-robots-to-clear-hormuz-of-mines-1c107caa?st=MKmf8w

WSJ is not a credible source.

You are not a credible person. Too funny.

Wait a week and see what maga Trump Israeli propaganda in the WSJ turns out to be false and never mentioned again. WSJ is awful quiet about Trump market manipulations announcements.

Wow, are you sure about that? Troll harder.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/how-trumps-iran-war-reversals-have-whipsawed-markets-75880272?st=7q3qFj&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/the-well-timed-trades-made-moments-before-trumps-policy-surprises-36e6963a?st=VVQZb5&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Just post link to their parent site -NYPost.