LMVSC town hall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I've seen anyone ever talk about CCL other than in the context of what it's not (i.e. not ECNL or DA etc).

One of the pros of CCL IMO--and this is just from reading their website and how they say it operates--is all your CCL teams will play all the CCL teams of the other club on the same weekend. If you have multiple kids playing for your club it is really beneficial for managing your weekends instead of one parent driving to Maryland while the other is driving to Fredericksburg or something. For those in CCL does this really happen: all teams from one club play all teams from the other club on the same weekend?

It also probably fosters a good bit of team unity and a level of inclusion that many other clubs may not be able to replicate because teams are all off doing their own things once the season begins, whereas CCL everyone is united in competition against the same opponent.

It does make scheduling easier; also, it gives some help to parents of multi-child red team players. That's becoming fewer, though. But the benefit of easy scheduling/being a parent isn't made easier since so many of our red teams are playing in NCSL in lieu of CCL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I've seen anyone ever talk about CCL other than in the context of what it's not (i.e. not ECNL or DA etc).

One of the pros of CCL IMO--and this is just from reading their website and how they say it operates--is all your CCL teams will play all the CCL teams of the other club on the same weekend. If you have multiple kids playing for your club it is really beneficial for managing your weekends instead of one parent driving to Maryland while the other is driving to Fredericksburg or something. For those in CCL does this really happen: all teams from one club play all teams from the other club on the same weekend?

It also probably fosters a good bit of team unity and a level of inclusion that many other clubs may not be able to replicate because teams are all off doing their own things once the season begins, whereas CCL everyone is united in competition against the same opponent.

It does make scheduling easier; also, it gives some help to parents of multi-child red team players. That's becoming fewer, though. But the benefit of easy scheduling/being a parent isn't made easier since so many of our red teams are playing in NCSL in lieu of CCL.

CCL is not about making it easier for the parents, only for the coaches. One coach can work with several teams and draw multiple salaries from discrete teams while only having to go to one place on the weekend. For clubs to operate in the CCL model, they need to do academy ‘style’ . That way one coach can train multiple teams at one time. CCL was started by coaches as a way to maximize their pay while minimizing their time investment. Not necessarily bad, but any parent participating in that league should recognize what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I've seen anyone ever talk about CCL other than in the context of what it's not (i.e. not ECNL or DA etc).

One of the pros of CCL IMO--and this is just from reading their website and how they say it operates--is all your CCL teams will play all the CCL teams of the other club on the same weekend. If you have multiple kids playing for your club it is really beneficial for managing your weekends instead of one parent driving to Maryland while the other is driving to Fredericksburg or something. For those in CCL does this really happen: all teams from one club play all teams from the other club on the same weekend?

It also probably fosters a good bit of team unity and a level of inclusion that many other clubs may not be able to replicate because teams are all off doing their own things once the season begins, whereas CCL everyone is united in competition against the same opponent.

It does make scheduling easier; also, it gives some help to parents of multi-child red team players. That's becoming fewer, though. But the benefit of easy scheduling/being a parent isn't made easier since so many of our red teams are playing in NCSL in lieu of CCL.

CCL is not about making it easier for the parents, only for the coaches. One coach can work with several teams and draw multiple salaries from discrete teams while only having to go to one place on the weekend. For clubs to operate in the CCL model, they need to do academy ‘style’ . That way one coach can train multiple teams at one time. CCL was started by coaches as a way to maximize their pay while minimizing their time investment. Not necessarily bad, but any parent participating in that league should recognize what it is.

Using that perspective (academy is needed), LC is failing at directing the academy. His arrival coincided with two consecutive years of losing 1/3 of the player pool, there are now five red teams unable to compete in CCL (literally), and every boys team has a negative goal differential. With the girls side only having two teams in CCL, I think there's the need for this conversation. LC is a good trainer, good coach. Having met him, even a friendly person. But out of his depth being in charge of the travel soccer program. There are more rumors circulating which we should know by next week that will cause panic, and I would've hoped for a reaction within our club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I've seen anyone ever talk about CCL other than in the context of what it's not (i.e. not ECNL or DA etc).

One of the pros of CCL IMO--and this is just from reading their website and how they say it operates--is all your CCL teams will play all the CCL teams of the other club on the same weekend. If you have multiple kids playing for your club it is really beneficial for managing your weekends instead of one parent driving to Maryland while the other is driving to Fredericksburg or something. For those in CCL does this really happen: all teams from one club play all teams from the other club on the same weekend?

It also probably fosters a good bit of team unity and a level of inclusion that many other clubs may not be able to replicate because teams are all off doing their own things once the season begins, whereas CCL everyone is united in competition against the same opponent.

It does make scheduling easier; also, it gives some help to parents of multi-child red team players. That's becoming fewer, though. But the benefit of easy scheduling/being a parent isn't made easier since so many of our red teams are playing in NCSL in lieu of CCL.

CCL is not about making it easier for the parents, only for the coaches. One coach can work with several teams and draw multiple salaries from discrete teams while only having to go to one place on the weekend. For clubs to operate in the CCL model, they need to do academy ‘style’ . That way one coach can train multiple teams at one time. CCL was started by coaches as a way to maximize their pay while minimizing their time investment. Not necessarily bad, but any parent participating in that league should recognize what it is.

Great points about the impacts it has for the coaches. So in some ways it's win-win for coaches and familie$$$.

Why doesn't ECNL operate the same way then? It seems like a smart way to maximize resources and create efficiency and better margins plus the indirect positive impacts on better schedules for multi-player families and fostering a club culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I've seen anyone ever talk about CCL other than in the context of what it's not (i.e. not ECNL or DA etc).

One of the pros of CCL IMO--and this is just from reading their website and how they say it operates--is all your CCL teams will play all the CCL teams of the other club on the same weekend. If you have multiple kids playing for your club it is really beneficial for managing your weekends instead of one parent driving to Maryland while the other is driving to Fredericksburg or something. For those in CCL does this really happen: all teams from one club play all teams from the other club on the same weekend?

It also probably fosters a good bit of team unity and a level of inclusion that many other clubs may not be able to replicate because teams are all off doing their own things once the season begins, whereas CCL everyone is united in competition against the same opponent.

It does make scheduling easier; also, it gives some help to parents of multi-child red team players. That's becoming fewer, though. But the benefit of easy scheduling/being a parent isn't made easier since so many of our red teams are playing in NCSL in lieu of CCL.

CCL is not about making it easier for the parents, only for the coaches. One coach can work with several teams and draw multiple salaries from discrete teams while only having to go to one place on the weekend. For clubs to operate in the CCL model, they need to do academy ‘style’ . That way one coach can train multiple teams at one time. CCL was started by coaches as a way to maximize their pay while minimizing their time investment. Not necessarily bad, but any parent participating in that league should recognize what it is.

Great points about the impacts it has for the coaches. So in some ways it's win-win for coaches and familie$$$.

Why doesn't ECNL operate the same way then? It seems like a smart way to maximize resources and create efficiency and better margins plus the indirect positive impacts on better schedules for multi-player families and fostering a club culture.

Did you skip past the results posted? It's win-win except for the "win" column.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would vote yes they will remain in CCL. As far as I know (and I could be wrong) the requirement is to have your 1st team playing. Not sure it actually says you have to be competitive. I think that is one of the draws to join the club is saying you play in CCL.

Thank you for your vote. The requirement is not being fulfill since five red teams are playing in NCSL. As far as being competitive, yes you kinda need to do that too. Thank you for your opinion of draws to join the club for playing in CCL, let's review results:

W/L/W ~~ GF/GA/GD ~~ place in table

CCL Standings (boys)
U12: no team in CCL
U13: 2/2/4 ~~ 9/12/-3 ~~ 9/18
U14: 2/5/0 ~~ 11/19/-8 ~~ 13/18
U15: 3/5/0 ~~ 8/17/-9 ~~ 10/18
U16: no team in CCL
U17: no team in CCL
U18: 5/8/0 ~~ 19/32/-13 ~~ 10/18
U19: 3/8/2 ~~ 23/46/-23 ~~ 6/10

CCL Standings (girls)
U12: 4/3/0 ~~ 14/13/+1 ~~ 8/18
U13: no team in CCL
U14: no team in CCL
U15: no team in CCL
U16: 5/5/2 ~~ 17/19/-2 ~~ 8/18
U17: no team in CCL
U18: no team in CCL
U19: no team in CCL

Let's not pretend this is going to get better, at least on the girls side, without changes in strategy. At the youngest level, there's a solid 2010 CCL team, the U10 team is already NCSL instead of NextGen and we don't even have a U9 team. Not sure what the plan is to make this better going forward, but doesn't seem like there's a coming youth movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would vote yes they will remain in CCL. As far as I know (and I could be wrong) the requirement is to have your 1st team playing. Not sure it actually says you have to be competitive. I think that is one of the draws to join the club is saying you play in CCL.

Thank you for your vote. The requirement is not being fulfill since five red teams are playing in NCSL. As far as being competitive, yes you kinda need to do that too. Thank you for your opinion of draws to join the club for playing in CCL, let's review results:

W/L/W ~~ GF/GA/GD ~~ place in table

CCL Standings (boys)
U12: no team in CCL
U13: 2/2/4 ~~ 9/12/-3 ~~ 9/18
U14: 2/5/0 ~~ 11/19/-8 ~~ 13/18
U15: 3/5/0 ~~ 8/17/-9 ~~ 10/18
U16: no team in CCL
U17: no team in CCL
U18: 5/8/0 ~~ 19/32/-13 ~~ 10/18
U19: 3/8/2 ~~ 23/46/-23 ~~ 6/10

CCL Standings (girls)
U12: 4/3/0 ~~ 14/13/+1 ~~ 8/18
U13: no team in CCL
U14: no team in CCL
U15: no team in CCL
U16: 5/5/2 ~~ 17/19/-2 ~~ 8/18
U17: no team in CCL
U18: no team in CCL
U19: no team in CCL

Let's not pretend this is going to get better, at least on the girls side, without changes in strategy. At the youngest level, there's a solid 2010 CCL team, the U10 team is already NCSL instead of NextGen and we don't even have a U9 team. Not sure what the plan is to make this better going forward, but doesn't seem like there's a coming youth movement.

I agree with you. For the poster that said the academy has been 'win-win', it's been lose-lose.

For the boys, the older they get, the bigger the scoring differential. For the girls, the less likely they're even able to conduct a academy session. Maybe it's a good idea being implemented poorly, maybe it's a bad idea being implemented poorly, or (what I think) it was a knee-jerk reaction as an attempt to mask the low registration numbers this past summer. I'm not sure if it was JN's call or LC's call... but it's results are clearly evident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would vote yes they will remain in CCL. As far as I know (and I could be wrong) the requirement is to have your 1st team playing. Not sure it actually says you have to be competitive. I think that is one of the draws to join the club is saying you play in CCL.

Thank you for your vote. The requirement is not being fulfill since five red teams are playing in NCSL. As far as being competitive, yes you kinda need to do that too. Thank you for your opinion of draws to join the club for playing in CCL, let's review results:

W/L/W ~~ GF/GA/GD ~~ place in table

CCL Standings (boys)
U12: no team in CCL
U13: 2/2/4 ~~ 9/12/-3 ~~ 9/18
U14: 2/5/0 ~~ 11/19/-8 ~~ 13/18
U15: 3/5/0 ~~ 8/17/-9 ~~ 10/18
U16: no team in CCL
U17: no team in CCL
U18: 5/8/0 ~~ 19/32/-13 ~~ 10/18
U19: 3/8/2 ~~ 23/46/-23 ~~ 6/10

CCL Standings (girls)
U12: 4/3/0 ~~ 14/13/+1 ~~ 8/18
U13: no team in CCL
U14: no team in CCL
U15: no team in CCL
U16: 5/5/2 ~~ 17/19/-2 ~~ 8/18
U17: no team in CCL
U18: no team in CCL
U19: no team in CCL

Let's not pretend this is going to get better, at least on the girls side, without changes in strategy. At the youngest level, there's a solid 2010 CCL team, the U10 team is already NCSL instead of NextGen and we don't even have a U9 team. Not sure what the plan is to make this better going forward, but doesn't seem like there's a coming youth movement.

I agree with you. For the poster that said the academy has been 'win-win', it's been lose-lose.

For the boys, the older they get, the bigger the scoring differential. For the girls, the less likely they're even able to conduct a academy session. Maybe it's a good idea being implemented poorly, maybe it's a bad idea being implemented poorly, or (what I think) it was a knee-jerk reaction as an attempt to mask the low registration numbers this past summer. I'm not sure if it was JN's call or LC's call... but it's results are clearly evident.

If it was done, LB was behind it. Nothing goes on at LMVSC without her. Everyone else is just there to take the hits when it goes bad.

[Anonymous]

So who is going to be staying next year to see what hapoens

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So who is going to be staying next year to see what hapoens

the same people who love to whine. There is no reason to stay- there are plenty of other local options that are more functional

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I presume you have DS with two or more teams in his age group? How has the academy worked? The training together, how many times has DS played on red squad, do you know if academy coach has seen white squad, etc? If I’m wrong please tell me, just want to gain perspective of somebody’s positive position.

I also noticed this went unanswered, which doesn't slow down any rumors.

What do rumors have to do with this?

[Anonymous]

We cancel practice because it is too cold but have games scheduled today at 8am when it is colder than when the club cancelled practices. Can LC or LB please explain this methodology? Do the European academies they brought up during the meeting cancel practice opportunities but play games in worse weather conditions?

This will be a interesting start for our boys in the tournament to start the spring.

[Anonymous]

I'd like to address something. LC's implementation of the academy was supposed to be the best approach for the club; both in terms of development (players getting better) and being competitive for wins (the idea of red/white squads). LC said specifically "a core of 7 or so players that stay on red squads and then a lot of player movement".

We have a total of two teams in the Jefferson Cup across four weekends. 2003 boys (who is literally a team from Annandale, none of the players came up through LMVSC) and the 2005 girls (who is coached by EE, one of the few coaches remaining from the previous staff). We chose not to be in State Cup, and we can't qualify for Jefferson Cup. So what do you think is the direction of the club? We're not trying to develop our players into the best possible, we're not trying to compete in the highest of levels. Call me a skeptical person, but I really can't understand any argument other than we're simply paying thousands of dollars for our kids to hang out together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We cancel practice because it is too cold but have games scheduled today at 8am when it is colder than when the club cancelled practices. Can LC or LB please explain this methodology? Do the European academies they brought up during the meeting cancel practice opportunities but play games in worse weather conditions?

This will be a interesting start for our boys in the tournament to start the spring.

I agree; I expanded on this with the comment immediately below yours. I'm not quite sure there's an actual direction. I think we're just paying them a lot of money for no real reason at all.

[Anonymous]

The direction is plugging fingers into ears and chanting ‘I can’t hear you’ Without a player pool, they aren’t going to improve and what club can they possible lure players away from? Who would willingly sing up for this?