Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to address the question raised as to why the nurse doesn't say "I rented this bike, I was here first," in the video.

The answer at the beginning of the video is very simple: everyone there knew already.

If her account is correct that she got on the bike and unlocked it, and then the guys came and pushed her back into the dock, she had no reason to explain to them that she had rented the bike. There was no misunderstanding -- everyone there had seen her on the bike with the bike unlocked, so she doesn't need to explain it to them.

Now, what she doesn't know in that moment is that this video will wind up on the internet and seen by thousands if not millions of people who actually don't know that, and that many of them will demand to know why she doesn't explain it to them. But she has no idea these people's opinions will ever matter -- she doesn't make her case to them because she doesn't even know they will eventually exist.

Now, later, after the guy has rented the bike (at the :20 second mark of the video) and the other hospital employee came up, why doesn't she ALSO pull out her phone to say she rented the bike? Well my read on it is that she wants the altercation to be over, and when the hospital colleague unsuccessfully suggests they redock the bike and the guys refuse and reiterate it's "his" bike, she gives up. There are so many of them, they will not back down, and she is tired and wants to go home.

Imagine if you worked 12 hours and then dealt with nonsense like this, only to have every facial expression and choice you made in that 90 second video parse and doubted and attacked by a bunch of strangers on the internet. The idea that we don't owe this woman some grace and benefit of the doubt is offensive (I also extend some grace and benefit of the doubt to the guys, some of whom don't even seem to want to take the bike from her, and others who I think don't understand how obnoxioius/offensive their behavior is).

I don’t extend any grace to the young men. If her story is true, they deliberately harassed her and set her up.

Posting of defamatory videos on the internet is an issue that needs to be addressed in the courts. I will donate to the gofundme only when they decide to sue the cameraman and whoever originally posted the video.

I'd like to note that no one knows for certain they are minors. Everyone keeps calling them teenagers. And posting the video is a continuation of them harassing her.

The nurse has been put on leave because of this incident. Incredible. Just saw an interview with her attorney.
They are planning to file defamation lawsuits against the people who have called her "racist" or "Karen" or otherwise defamed her.
She has receipts for renting TWO bikes since the first one was taken from her.
I hope she is successful. This crap has to stop.

But why are the PA and her lawyer not pursuing the original video taker and poster? Why focus on the cackling audience instead of the bad actors on the stage?

This is an internet-wide issue that our society needs to deal with. I guess the ACLU wouldn't be interested, and there's not an ADL or NAACP for white women.

Good luck with all of that. What the lawyer did was spin the narrative, Public Relations crisis management 101. She's not testifying in court and this isn't evidence that has been authenticated, and produced under penalty of perjury, at this point, it doesn't need to be, he is just telling her side of things to the media. He told her to "produce a receipt" and that is what she did.

Been in litigation for a very long time and have seen some very interesting things, post-discovery, and after the settlement stage where money needs to be divvied up, well you have a client who needs their share but they don't have the necessary documentation to back it up, for whatever reason, but everyone needs to get paid, so the lawyer tells them what they need and then the documents magically appear, again this is post-discovery this supporting documentation isn't getting submitted to the court, it's just there in case it's asked for. Is the lawyer going to create the evidence, not a chance? An officer of the court can't do a thing like that, but can the client, sure why not.

He can lie and she can lie with no consequence at this stage. You can't perjure yourself to the press. This isn't going to actual trial. They just needed to make this go away, and the rest is all bluster.

What did the hospital do, nothing, they put her on leave, most likely with pay, pending an investigation. Fairly standard operating procedure. The hospital had to get out in front of it because that is the standard operating procedure. Now everyone can save face, and Citibike Karen can go back to work, and show her face in public, and the hospital can say we did what we said we would do.

Thank you and you are welcome.

It's very important for you to keep calling her Karen, isn't it? She has a real name. But you mean to demean her and put her in her place for rightfully protesting the situation these boys forced on her. What name do you have for them?

There wasn't a #Citibike Karen, it was actually #Citibike KarEEM. The male is the Karen (KarEEM).

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

But I don’t think dumb and lazy explains this. I think people are still ‘getting it wrong’ deliberately because they really need to substantiate this as a ‘Karen’ story and need that stereotype to apply to essentially ALL white women in any circumstance where there is any conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming these dudes had been hanging out around there for a while. They could have gotten that bike long before she came out if that's what they really wanted.

It was an e-bike. Not the same as the regular citibike. E-bikes are difficult to find. More than likely there were multiple individuals looking at their Citibike app trying to rush and be the first person to get the last e-bike.

If this is true, even more important that the guy GIVE THE PREGNANT LADY THE BIKE. Brings me back to taking metro during my pre-COVID pregnancies, both of which were third trimester in DC summer heat. First one I just stood and stewed. Second one I was almost yanking people out of the seats by the doors when they were clearly NOT elderly or disabled.

Let me introduce you to the concept of invisible disabilities.

I look relatively fit and far too young for this history, but I've had multiple heart surgeries and occasionally goi into arrythmias where I need to sit and take a medication. This is always a surprise to people who have just met me.

Be aware that it isn't always how it seems. Sorry about that -- I also don't want for me to be sitting in the metro when there are other people around who can use the seat. The alternative is even less pretty, though, and sometimes involves blood if I hit my head.

+1. My disabilities are numerous and trumps any pregnant woman, but you would never know from looking at me.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

The video came from the video taker's phone. He should be held responsible and the burden of proof that he didn't post it to the internet is on him. If they sue him, I will contribute to the litigation costs.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

But I don’t think dumb and lazy explains this. I think people are still ‘getting it wrong’ deliberately because they really need to substantiate this as a ‘Karen’ story and need that stereotype to apply to essentially ALL white women in any circumstance where there is any conflict.

I agree that some people have that agenda, no question.

But I also think they are assisted by the fact that a lot of people online are mindless lemmings who are very susceptible to manipulation and suggestion.

I think many of the people who piled on against the PA in the first place barely watched the video (which from the jump has some details that seem to raise questions, like why is the woman on the bike and the man next to it, if he got there first? and why does the guy in the purple sweatshirt repeatedly tell his friend to let her have it?) and were heavily influenced by the captions that accompanied the video as well as the loud commentary from the videographer on the video. They saw captions that said "woman steals bike and then tries to get black teens killed by weaponizing white tears" and assumed that was indeed what the video depicted. If they bothered to watch the video, they did so without any critical thinking skills and heard the videographer complaining the the woman's crying was fake and assumed that it was, in fact, fake.

Like yes, some people are malicious and have an agenda, but a lot of people are mindless and simply looking to be distracted/entertained, not to actually evaluate the world around them and question sources or verify accounts. Heck, some journalists don't even bother with that part. It gives the people with agendas a lot of leeway. Both behaviors are a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

The video came from the video taker's phone. He should be held responsible and the burden of proof that he didn't post it to the internet is on him. If they sue him, I will contribute to the litigation costs.

But if he took the video and then just texted it to a few friends and nothing else, I actually don't think you can hold him responsible. I'd want to know who actually posted the video, and how they came into its possession. As others have noted, a big red flag with this one was the fact that the video just kind of came into existence and we've never heard word one from these young men or their families about the incident. Why? Did these guys intend for the video to get out like it did or no? I honestly don't know. Ben Crump did not take that video.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

You know, it’s not just being dumb and lazy. It’s thinking that you can tell the whole story from a short clip. Or maybe even just witnessing part of an event. People are so confident about their subjective judgments about what’s happening, but our perceptions can be totally wrong.

For example, I watched the video many times. The first time her yelling DID seem weird. Then I rewatched it and started to notice how the man was restraining her bike and covering up the QR code. Then I noticed how the bike wasn’t unlocked until the middle of the confrontation (showing she hadn’t “stolen” anything).

Even after now seeing the video as showing cause for her to be upset, she STILL seemed like she was overreacting a little.

But then when I got the whole context (that she rented it first and they pushed her back in, before the video started), I rewatched. NOW I can tell that she looks very upset the whole time - confused, hands trembling, surrounded on all sides. Her distress now seems totally authentic and totally justified.

Context. We should never assume we know what’s happening until we get it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how it’s not white men caught in these confrontations because they don’t target white men. Women are seen as easier targets. America has a misogyny problem.

Yes, and white men, by the way, love this dynamic. If we focus on the white woman getting upset and crying (and call her tears manipulative and not genuine, which is what a lot of white men have been saying about white women for YEARS), then we don't pay as much attention when the system that benefits white men over POC and white women just keeps on chugging along.

A dynamic that pits white women against POC is ideal... for white men who want to keep benefiting from the patriarchy and white supremacy, unbothered.

I bet you a lot of the people who jumped on the bandwagon against this PA and called her a racist and a white supremacist online and called for her firing, kiss the rings of the white men in actual positions of power over them all the time. But if they stood up to that power, there might be consequences. Easier to strike out at someone as powerless as they are.

Some day white women will realize how much woke POC, especially other women, hate them.

+1 so very true. They are the most bitter, vengeful, angry, racist...

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Anonymous wrote:I want to address the question raised as to why the nurse doesn't say "I rented this bike, I was here first," in the video.

The answer at the beginning of the video is very simple: everyone there knew already.

If her account is correct that she got on the bike and unlocked it, and then the guys came and pushed her back into the dock, she had no reason to explain to them that she had rented the bike. There was no misunderstanding -- everyone there had seen her on the bike with the bike unlocked, so she doesn't need to explain it to them.

Now, what she doesn't know in that moment is that this video will wind up on the internet and seen by thousands if not millions of people who actually don't know that, and that many of them will demand to know why she doesn't explain it to them. But she has no idea these people's opinions will ever matter -- she doesn't make her case to them because she doesn't even know they will eventually exist.

Now, later, after the guy has rented the bike (at the :20 second mark of the video) and the other hospital employee came up, why doesn't she ALSO pull out her phone to say she rented the bike? Well my read on it is that she wants the altercation to be over, and when the hospital colleague unsuccessfully suggests they redock the bike and the guys refuse and reiterate it's "his" bike, she gives up. There are so many of them, they will not back down, and she is tired and wants to go home.

Imagine if you worked 12 hours and then dealt with nonsense like this, only to have every facial expression and choice you made in that 90 second video parse and doubted and attacked by a bunch of strangers on the internet. The idea that we don't owe this woman some grace and benefit of the doubt is offensive (I also extend some grace and benefit of the doubt to the guys, some of whom don't even seem to want to take the bike from her, and others who I think don't understand how obnoxioius/offensive their behavior is).

I don’t extend any grace to the young men. If her story is true, they deliberately harassed her and set her up.

Posting of defamatory videos on the internet is an issue that needs to be addressed in the courts. I will donate to the gofundme only when they decide to sue the cameraman and whoever originally posted the video.

I'd like to note that no one knows for certain they are minors. Everyone keeps calling them teenagers. And posting the video is a continuation of them harassing her.

The nurse has been put on leave because of this incident. Incredible. Just saw an interview with her attorney.
They are planning to file defamation lawsuits against the people who have called her "racist" or "Karen" or otherwise defamed her.
She has receipts for renting TWO bikes since the first one was taken from her.
I hope she is successful. This crap has to stop.

But why are the PA and her lawyer not pursuing the original video taker and poster? Why focus on the cackling audience instead of the bad actors on the stage?

This is an internet-wide issue that our society needs to deal with. I guess the ACLU wouldn't be interested, and there's not an ADL or NAACP for white women.

Good luck with all of that. What the lawyer did was spin the narrative, Public Relations crisis management 101. She's not testifying in court and this isn't evidence that has been authenticated, and produced under penalty of perjury, at this point, it doesn't need to be, he is just telling her side of things to the media. He told her to "produce a receipt" and that is what she did.

Been in litigation for a very long time and have seen some very interesting things, post-discovery, and after the settlement stage where money needs to be divvied up, well you have a client who needs their share but they don't have the necessary documentation to back it up, for whatever reason, but everyone needs to get paid, so the lawyer tells them what they need and then the documents magically appear, again this is post-discovery this supporting documentation isn't getting submitted to the court, it's just there in case it's asked for. Is the lawyer going to create the evidence, not a chance? An officer of the court can't do a thing like that, but can the client, sure why not.

He can lie and she can lie with no consequence at this stage. You can't perjure yourself to the press. This isn't going to actual trial. They just needed to make this go away, and the rest is all bluster.

What did the hospital do, nothing, they put her on leave, most likely with pay, pending an investigation. Fairly standard operating procedure. The hospital had to get out in front of it because that is the standard operating procedure. Now everyone can save face, and Citibike Karen can go back to work, and show her face in public, and the hospital can say we did what we said we would do.

Thank you and you are welcome.

It's very important for you to keep calling her Karen, isn't it? She has a real name. But you mean to demean her and put her in her place for rightfully protesting the situation these boys forced on her. What name do you have for them?

There wasn't a #Citibike Karen, it was actually #Citibike KarEEM. The male is the Karen (KarEEM).

Stop posting this. You sound like a tool.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

But I don’t think dumb and lazy explains this. I think people are still ‘getting it wrong’ deliberately because they really need to substantiate this as a ‘Karen’ story and need that stereotype to apply to essentially ALL white women in any circumstance where there is any conflict.

I agree that some people have that agenda, no question.

But I also think they are assisted by the fact that a lot of people online are mindless lemmings who are very susceptible to manipulation and suggestion.

I think many of the people who piled on against the PA in the first place barely watched the video (which from the jump has some details that seem to raise questions, like why is the woman on the bike and the man next to it, if he got there first? and why does the guy in the purple sweatshirt repeatedly tell his friend to let her have it?) and were heavily influenced by the captions that accompanied the video as well as the loud commentary from the videographer on the video. They saw captions that said "woman steals bike and then tries to get black teens killed by weaponizing white tears" and assumed that was indeed what the video depicted. If they bothered to watch the video, they did so without any critical thinking skills and heard the videographer complaining the the woman's crying was fake and assumed that it was, in fact, fake.

Like yes, some people are malicious and have an agenda, but a lot of people are mindless and simply looking to be distracted/entertained, not to actually evaluate the world around them and question sources or verify accounts. Heck, some journalists don't even bother with that part. It gives the people with agendas a lot of leeway. Both behaviors are a problem.

Yes, I see your points. I guess the tenor of the discussion makes me feel like this is a majority case of people being malicious and having an agenda. I can’t prove that my feeling is accurate, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how it’s not white men caught in these confrontations because they don’t target white men. Women are seen as easier targets. America has a misogyny problem.

Yes, and white men, by the way, love this dynamic. If we focus on the white woman getting upset and crying (and call her tears manipulative and not genuine, which is what a lot of white men have been saying about white women for YEARS), then we don't pay as much attention when the system that benefits white men over POC and white women just keeps on chugging along.

A dynamic that pits white women against POC is ideal... for white men who want to keep benefiting from the patriarchy and white supremacy, unbothered.

I bet you a lot of the people who jumped on the bandwagon against this PA and called her a racist and a white supremacist online and called for her firing, kiss the rings of the white men in actual positions of power over them all the time. But if they stood up to that power, there might be consequences. Easier to strike out at someone as powerless as they are.

Some day white women will realize how much woke POC, especially other women, hate them.

+100.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/citi-bike-fight-video-woman-attorney/

Ben Crump posted the video according to this article. Not sure if he was the original person who posted it.

I thought it was originally posted on Reddit? It’s been deleted from there but a lot of the comments remain. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13iftxp/nyc_hospital_karen_attempting_to_take_black_mans/

And here’s todays follow up in a new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13lhddo/bike_karen_was_right_after_all_she_has_shown/

Interesting the original post has been deleted, and it appears the account that posted it has also been deleted.

It's also annoying to me that even in the updated post, people are still getting it wrong. Like there are people in the comments talking about how she rented it first and he tried to steal it from her while it was on her account, but that's not even what she has said -- she said she rented it and they forcibly re-docked it so that he could rent it on his own account.

People are so dumb and lazy, is one of my major take aways from this whole thing. Like people can't even be bothered to watch a 90 second video and pay attention to what happens in it, or read a short article. They just read headlines and reactions from others and form conclusions based on that. Idiocracy.

The video came from the video taker's phone. He should be held responsible and the burden of proof that he didn't post it to the internet is on him. If they sue him, I will contribute to the litigation costs.

But if he took the video and then just texted it to a few friends and nothing else, I actually don't think you can hold him responsible. I'd want to know who actually posted the video, and how they came into its possession. As others have noted, a big red flag with this one was the fact that the video just kind of came into existence and we've never heard word one from these young men or their families about the incident. Why? Did these guys intend for the video to get out like it did or no? I honestly don't know. Ben Crump did not take that video.

Totally agree, that's why the burden of proof is on the videographer. That's why the only path to truly clearing her name is by sueing the videographer.

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Anonymous wrote:The red flag in all this, that should have tipped everyone off, was that the men and their families didn’t go crying to media/activists/lawyers at any point.

If they could back their story up, they’d be working with a team of lawyers and PR people by now.

I'd be curious to find out exactly how the video wound up online and who posted it, and why they posted it. Not so I could go after anyone with a pitchfork, but because it now looks like maybe these guys didn't post the video. Because otherwise wouldn't we know something about them at this point?

It seems like at some point someone who could profit/benefit from it got ahold of the video and posted it with an inflammatory caption (that didn't really reflect what happens in the video) in the hopes it would go viral. And it did. And likely pushed clicks and followers to the original poster, plus anyone who reposted and commented on it.

This incident is opening my eyes to how many people are out there grifting on the Racist Incident Outrage Machine. They are posing like people trying to shed a light on racism or expose wrongdoers, but they are actually just looking to build followers and get clicks. Monique Judge is definitely in this category -- just a quick review of her Twitter, TikTok and website makes it clear this is her bread and butter. But there are others.

That's who is really trying to profit here. I don't think these guys who took the video have much at all to do with it now. I'd love to hear the story of how it made its way from them to where it wound up because I think it would be enlightening.

Beyond the $$$ behind the Racist Incident Outrage Machine, there is the original source:

- racial identity politics.

Dividing people pays off in the ugly, destructive game of American politics.

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Anonymous wrote:

There wasn't a #Citibike Karen, it was actually #Citibike KarEEM. The male is the Karen (KarEEM).

Stop posting this. You sound like a tool.

OMG, agreed. Someone is trying really, really hard to make that go viral.