ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

Can you please explain what "playing down" means in a School Year registration system? It sounds like you have the idea about birth year burned into your brain that you can't grasp Q4s would be playing with kids in the SAME GRADE - which is who they would be competing with for scholarships from their school grade. It's not playing down. They've been playing up for years - and would be returning to their school grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

Can you please explain what "playing down" means in a School Year registration system? It sounds like you have the idea about birth year burned into your brain that you can't grasp Q4s would be playing with kids in the SAME GRADE - which is who they would be competing with for scholarships from their school grade. It's not playing down. They've been playing up for years - and would be returning to their school grade.

You are responding to a sad BY parent who is fully aware their kid's one advantage in the sport (being older/bigger) is going away. So they are projecting their fears on others. Change is difficult for some people and I expect a lot of lashing out in the coming months.

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Hey BY parents.

Petition Linda McMahon to set birth months of Jan-Dec in that given year be the standard for said grade.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

You guys give these orgs too much credit. They barely function day to day.

There won’t be any plans for 25/26. They will release some ‘recommendations’ that no one will follow and then the band aid comes off in spring 26 for tryouts.

I agree 💯 that there will be no plans for 25/26. But I think they will announce their plans soon (in the next few months) for 26/27 and beyond.

The "plans" for 26/27 have already been announced. It's switching to 9/1 to 8/31 registration.

Many on here seem certain that there will be absolutely no changes for 25/26 - but we already know that Cal South is going to allow SY registration in January 1, 2026. It's possible that certain leagues could adopt rules in 25/26 that allow some or all Q4s to play down with that school grade. Many say that's impossible (because the tryout for their kid's club already happened). We'll know this summer when the league rules are published.

Cal south announcement doesn’t carry much weight. 26/27 calendar basically kicks off in the spring for youngers

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Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

This happens a lot more often than you’d expect.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

You guys give these orgs too much credit. They barely function day to day.

There won’t be any plans for 25/26. They will release some ‘recommendations’ that no one will follow and then the band aid comes off in spring 26 for tryouts.

I agree 💯 that there will be no plans for 25/26. But I think they will announce their plans soon (in the next few months) for 26/27 and beyond.

The "plans" for 26/27 have already been announced. It's switching to 9/1 to 8/31 registration.

Many on here seem certain that there will be absolutely no changes for 25/26 - but we already know that Cal South is going to allow SY registration in January 1, 2026. It's possible that certain leagues could adopt rules in 25/26 that allow some or all Q4s to play down with that school grade. Many say that's impossible (because the tryout for their kid's club already happened). We'll know this summer when the league rules are published.

Cal south announcement doesn’t carry much weight. 26/27 calendar basically kicks off in the spring for youngers

It only carries "weight" because it means that USYS will allow the change to take place earlier than 9/1/26 - if a member wants to that change. It would be up to the member to want it of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Idiot, listen to the ECNL podcast again. They only said how to reduce trap players. They never said to eliminate. Just suck it up, admit your kid is mediocre and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

Because those leagues agree not to release their 25/26 rule book until the 25/26 teams are formed, so whatever their transit plans are, they will not look like they are trying to poach players from the other league. You will hear their plan after ECNL final and MLS Cup.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Let me guess July or August parent…

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.