ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

From a generic kid perspective, the best overall system is the system that aligns with their academic cohort. That's who they will start the sport with, their recruitment years will be aligned. The current SY proposal doesn't completely solve that and likely no system can solve it. But it does a much better job at putting more kids in their academic cohorts. Grad year makes even more sense because that's how recruiting works BUT too many crazy parents will redshirt/reclass and have their 18year old freshman playing. Look at basketball.

“Academic cohort” and “trapped player” is just an excuse that sounded good and compassionate. Recruitment from grad year is understandable.

Trapped is a real thing and a major pain. My oldest has lived through it. Three times as much work for college recruiting vs. the non-trapped.

Not true about the work. Statements like these are why people blow off trapped parents. You all FEEL like you have to work harder, but it’s just not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

He did it so the RAE would benefit the kids who would also be the oldest in each age group eligible for the ynt (jan-march). That was the driving reason for the change. It didn’t have the desired impact on the competitiveness of the ynt and really caused problems for trapped kids 8th grade, realignment of new teams for 12th grade, and more difficulty for college coaches in recruiting. Hence talking of changing back to SY.

It absolutely has had the intended result on the YNT. Our YNT pipeline is stronger than it has ever been. And we finally have a pipeline to top professional leagues because of it.

You’re seeking perfection at the cost of progress.

There is a reason MLSN is staying BY, and there is a reason USSF “split the baby” instead of giving rec+ECNL what it wanted.

Don’t be dense

You will be sad when MLSN announces they will switch to SY too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

You honestly have the gall to say this?

Every justification for SY is in essence translated to “therefore my kid is a victim”
My kid was born late so they developed later than kids born Q1/2 - therefore my kid is a victim
My kid will become trapped when their peers move on to next school - therefore my kid is a victim

Now the BY parents may feel this way with the new change. But don’t pretend it’s only on one side.

I’m a SY proponent, but dumb arguments like this water down the legitimate arguments.

Couldn’t you make the same argument for pro BY arguments….

Like at least with SY there are more pros than cons whereas BY is just uh our calendar starts with Jan and my kid is born early in the calendar year…

No…because it was BY, so they couldn’t claim they were being victimized by BY…

This is a stupid attempt at whatabout

It is changing…to SY…so the arguments for why we shouldn’t go SY or make these weird exceptions are from BY parents who are….playing victim….it’s changing….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

He did it so the RAE would benefit the kids who would also be the oldest in each age group eligible for the ynt (jan-march). That was the driving reason for the change. It didn’t have the desired impact on the competitiveness of the ynt and really caused problems for trapped kids 8th grade, realignment of new teams for 12th grade, and more difficulty for college coaches in recruiting. Hence talking of changing back to SY.

It absolutely has had the intended result on the YNT. Our YNT pipeline is stronger than it has ever been. And we finally have a pipeline to top professional leagues because of it.

You’re seeking perfection at the cost of progress.

There is a reason MLSN is staying BY, and there is a reason USSF “split the baby” instead of giving rec+ECNL what it wanted.

Don’t be dense

You will be sad when MLSN announces they will switch to SY too.

What happens if they don't?

Cry yourself to sleep on your huge pilla.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

He did it so the RAE would benefit the kids who would also be the oldest in each age group eligible for the ynt (jan-march). That was the driving reason for the change. It didn’t have the desired impact on the competitiveness of the ynt and really caused problems for trapped kids 8th grade, realignment of new teams for 12th grade, and more difficulty for college coaches in recruiting. Hence talking of changing back to SY.

It absolutely has had the intended result on the YNT. Our YNT pipeline is stronger than it has ever been. And we finally have a pipeline to top professional leagues because of it.

You’re seeking perfection at the cost of progress.

There is a reason MLSN is staying BY, and there is a reason USSF “split the baby” instead of giving rec+ECNL what it wanted.

Don’t be dense

You will be sad when MLSN announces they will switch to SY too.

What happens if they don't?

Cry yourself to sleep on your huge pilla.

Obviously you know nothing. P2P MLSN will switch to SY. The news will come out after MLSN Cup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

You guys give these orgs too much credit. They barely function day to day.

There won’t be any plans for 25/26. They will release some ‘recommendations’ that no one will follow and then the band aid comes off in spring 26 for tryouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

You guys give these orgs too much credit. They barely function day to day.

There won’t be any plans for 25/26. They will release some ‘recommendations’ that no one will follow and then the band aid comes off in spring 26 for tryouts.

I agree 💯 that there will be no plans for 25/26. But I think they will announce their plans soon (in the next few months) for 26/27 and beyond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

He did it so the RAE would benefit the kids who would also be the oldest in each age group eligible for the ynt (jan-march). That was the driving reason for the change. It didn’t have the desired impact on the competitiveness of the ynt and really caused problems for trapped kids 8th grade, realignment of new teams for 12th grade, and more difficulty for college coaches in recruiting. Hence talking of changing back to SY.

It absolutely has had the intended result on the YNT. Our YNT pipeline is stronger than it has ever been. And we finally have a pipeline to top professional leagues because of it.

You’re seeking perfection at the cost of progress.

There is a reason MLSN is staying BY, and there is a reason USSF “split the baby” instead of giving rec+ECNL what it wanted.

Don’t be dense

YNTs are arguably a little stronger relative to the world because of it. Senior teams and the pro pipeline don't really benefit from it. The problems it introduced for the masses were a steep price to pay for better YNT finishes. USSF split the baby because they have the most incentive of any org to keep BY, but they really couldn't argue against it being a mistake for the majority of their members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

Agreed. Pp are incorrect saying rec and ecnl are going SY. It’s all leagues u8-u12 and every league but ga/mlsnext (who haven’t said anything one way or the other) at u13+. Incredibly difficult to stay BY on their own and for what benefit? To align with international standards? Laughable. They will do what makes them $$$. Maybe US soccer pressures mls academies to stay BY to continue to feed the ynt. That would be difficult but doable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience

I wonder why it’s crickets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all waiting on the other to roll out their plans so they can react. I hope the various leagues have gotten together in some degree privately to discuss plans and have some form of consistency. But probably not. We will probably have all the major leagues doing something similar but not identical when it comes to SY. I can’t see how MLSN will be the lone survivor to BY.

You guys give these orgs too much credit. They barely function day to day.

There won’t be any plans for 25/26. They will release some ‘recommendations’ that no one will follow and then the band aid comes off in spring 26 for tryouts.

I agree 💯 that there will be no plans for 25/26. But I think they will announce their plans soon (in the next few months) for 26/27 and beyond.

The "plans" for 26/27 have already been announced. It's switching to 9/1 to 8/31 registration.

Many on here seem certain that there will be absolutely no changes for 25/26 - but we already know that Cal South is going to allow SY registration in January 1, 2026. It's possible that certain leagues could adopt rules in 25/26 that allow some or all Q4s to play down with that school grade. Many say that's impossible (because the tryout for their kid's club already happened). We'll know this summer when the league rules are published.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.