ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

SY for ECNL league game, GY for showcase.


There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

ECNL said this? Seems like if they are thinking of something like this then you should start it at the U13 level.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

That's what the 'within some guidelines' for U16-U19 is for, to prevent players from gaming the system. Everything else is strict SY date cutoff. Again, easy, and already on the way to being implemented.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

ECNL said this? Seems like if they are thinking of something like this then you should start it at the U13 level.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

That's what the 'within some guidelines' for U16-U19 is for, to prevent players from gaming the system. Everything else is strict SY date cutoff. Again, easy, and already on the way to being implemented.

"Within some guidelines" means many things to many people. This is the issue with waivers/exceptions.

SY+60 clearly calls out that the exception is 60 days before the cutoff. If you can provide proof of grade. There's no wiggle room because the exception is a number.

See the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It would be to allow the kids for their most important recruiting years to play with their grade. The rumor is it would only be for JR/SR year. If a kid is still in high school they should be allowed to play ECNL.


It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

ECNL said this? Seems like if they are thinking of something like this then you should start it at the U13 level.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

ECNL has not said anything the president and vice president talked about making it easy by grade. Was just a one off conversation.


It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

ECNL said this? Seems like if they are thinking of something like this then you should start it at the U13 level.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

Moving SY+60 guy from runner up to craziest person on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

SY is not opening the door for exceptions at all. MLSN's biobanding already opened the door when the rules were BY.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

Moving SY+60 guy from runner up to craziest person on this thread.

SY+60 has provided a solution that would work nationally addressing different school start dates.

You provide nothing but snark.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

SY is not opening the door for exceptions at all. MLSN's biobanding already opened the door when the rules were BY.

The pretense for switching from BY to SY was to address "trapped players". Unfortunately when you choose a specific cutoff date for SY theres still trapped players. So what have you solved?

Reguarding MLSN + biobanding they can do what they want. It has no relevance on switching from BY to SY and the reasons for/against.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

SY is not opening the door for exceptions at all. MLSN's biobanding already opened the door when the rules were BY.

The pretense for switching from BY to SY was to address "trapped players". Unfortunately when you choose a specific cutoff date for SY theres still trapped players. So what have you solved?

Reguarding MLSN + biobanding they can do what they want. It has no relevance on switching from BY to SY and the reasons for/against.

You've solved the issue for 90%+ of the players.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

ECNL said this? Seems like if they are thinking of something like this then you should start it at the U13 level.

Why?

To capture all of 11v11, promoting consistency of teams and avoiding 8th grade trap year

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Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

100% adopted it from the SY crazies 🤣

There is no bigger victim that a certain subset of SY parents. Hands down, no contest.

I’m a SY proponent, and I can tell you 100% the least logical arguments, most self-victimized, pity partying, most DARVO arguments are the extreme SY-looneys. They take the cake.

It goes in this order:
SY crazies
BY crazies / GY crazies
August crazies
BY clingers
SY / BY normals

No one in all these pages is as crazy as the "it's not happening, because the problems with BY don't actually exist, and fyi your kid just sucks at soccer" guy. Runaway winner in the crazy contest. He managed to trigger a ton of others, indirectly leading to at least 100 of the pages of this thread.

And the runner up of SY 60+ guy was just so crazy. Like he thinks leagues are taking suggestions from parents after they spent a year discussing the change to SY.

SY+60 is the only way to make everyone across the entire US happy with SY.

By choosing a single cutoff date there will still be trapped players and their parents will screech for exemptions. Which some league will allow. Which will make everyone else pissed because someone will exploit the exemption allowance for wins.

You can't explain any of this to SY crazies because they're so excited that their kid who sucks in BY will get to play down. And guess what? They'll suck playing down as well.

It is odd how BY people (now that the inevitability of the change to SY for everyone is setting in) are now super concerned with trapped players (it was never an issue before! And 10x the number of players were/are trapped un BY) and crying for exceptions... Oh, and projecting their fears regarding their special snowflakes who will now have to play with (gasp) kids their own age! Boo hoo, your high school player won't be able to beat up middle school kids anymore...

The whole reason for changing to SY was to not have trapped players! But because you want to choose a certain cutoff date theres still trapped players!

You are the squeaky wheel under BY. They'll be the squeaky wheels under SY.

SY+60 addresses ALL trapped players in SY.

Keep going SY+60 guy. The wish casting random made up rules and exceptions and selling it like you are making a difference is awesome. Of course, incredibly pointless but still awesome. You go!

Different poster, fully acknowledging that I'm not in charge and my opinion is pointless ... I do see a benefit in what SY+60 guy is proposing, but I disagree that +60 is the right way to try to get it because it's includes too many redshirts. I'd simply reconcile school cutoffs by saying August kids play down with their grade if they started school in an August 1 cutoff district. You may call me "GY w/out redshirting guy" I'm half expecting this is what we end up with after leagues start tweaking their own league rules with exceptions.

We already have the solution that will work fine and ECNL will be using. SY (9/1 - 8/31) for U8 - U15 and then grad year (with some guidelines) U16 - U19. Simple, easy done.

GY is exactly what people dont want.

But this is the door SY opens

1. First there's waivers to allow players in the grade but slightly older to play down.
2. Second homeschoolers choose their grade to play in using a waiver to play down
3. Private schools convince parents to regrade their kids so they can be 16 year old Freshman playing against 14 year olds

SY+60 clearly defines the cutoff for waivers at 60 days before the cutoff date. This keeps the GY cheaters out and addresses all trapped players in a grade.

SY is not opening the door for exceptions at all. MLSN's biobanding already opened the door when the rules were BY.

The pretense for switching from BY to SY was to address "trapped players". Unfortunately when you choose a specific cutoff date for SY theres still trapped players. So what have you solved?

Reguarding MLSN + biobanding they can do what they want. It has no relevance on switching from BY to SY and the reasons for/against.

You've solved the issue for 90%+ of the players.

SY+60 addresses ALL the trapped players who are the correct age in the correct grade according to school start dates nationwide.

SY+60 specifically bars regrades and homeschoolers (that weren't born within 60 days of the defined cutoff date)

See how it works

You get everything you want with SY but you also keep the GY redshirt cheaters and homeschoolers out.

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No matter what, the SY+60 guy has provided pages of content and I salute the effort.