ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

From a generic kid perspective, the best overall system is the system that aligns with their academic cohort. That's who they will start the sport with, their recruitment years will be aligned. The current SY proposal doesn't completely solve that and likely no system can solve it. But it does a much better job at putting more kids in their academic cohorts. Grad year makes even more sense because that's how recruiting works BUT too many crazy parents will redshirt/reclass and have their 18year old freshman playing. Look at basketball.

“Academic cohort” and “trapped player” is just an excuse that sounded good and compassionate. Recruitment from grad year is understandable.

We moved from ECNL to MLSN during trap year, so he can have 4 months practice and games. His ECNL trapped teammate has nothing in the 4 months. The younger NL team already has 22 players, so he could not join them.

[Anonymous]

Is the move really happening? Or will there be an announcement to postpone the transition by another year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the move really happening? Or will there be an announcement to postpone the transition by another year?

Will USCS and USYS really wait until 26/27 to make the change mandatory? Or will there be an announcement to bump the transition up to 25/26?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

The only victim mentality are the SY crazies.

Found the BY parent…sorry that your kid doesn’t get to keep playing against kids a grade below…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

The only victim mentality are the SY crazies.

Found the BY parent…sorry that your kid doesn’t get to keep playing against kids a grade below…

My kid plays a year up.
Loser

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

You honestly have the gall to say this?

Every justification for SY is in essence translated to “therefore my kid is a victim”
My kid was born late so they developed later than kids born Q1/2 - therefore my kid is a victim
My kid will become trapped when their peers move on to next school - therefore my kid is a victim

Now the BY parents may feel this way with the new change. But don’t pretend it’s only on one side.

I’m a SY proponent, but dumb arguments like this water down the legitimate arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

The only victim mentality are the SY crazies.

Found the BY parent…sorry that your kid doesn’t get to keep playing against kids a grade below…

My kid plays a year up.
Loser

lol….loser…arguing with people online….mine plays 2 years up and is a Dec Bday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

You honestly have the gall to say this?

Every justification for SY is in essence translated to “therefore my kid is a victim”
My kid was born late so they developed later than kids born Q1/2 - therefore my kid is a victim
My kid will become trapped when their peers move on to next school - therefore my kid is a victim

Now the BY parents may feel this way with the new change. But don’t pretend it’s only on one side.

I’m a SY proponent, but dumb arguments like this water down the legitimate arguments.

Couldn’t you make the same argument for pro BY arguments….

Like at least with SY there are more pros than cons whereas BY is just uh our calendar starts with Jan and my kid is born early in the calendar year…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the move really happening? Or will there be an announcement to postpone the transition by another year?

Will USCS and USYS really wait until 26/27 to make the change mandatory? Or will there be an announcement to bump the transition up to 25/26?

No chance this is getting set in place for 25/26. Not by us club because they oversee so many leagues.

[Anonymous]

Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

He did it so the RAE would benefit the kids who would also be the oldest in each age group eligible for the ynt (jan-march). That was the driving reason for the change. It didn’t have the desired impact on the competitiveness of the ynt and really caused problems for trapped kids 8th grade, realignment of new teams for 12th grade, and more difficulty for college coaches in recruiting. Hence talking of changing back to SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

The only victim mentality are the SY crazies.

Found the BY parent…sorry that your kid doesn’t get to keep playing against kids a grade below…

My kid plays a year up.
Loser

lol….loser…arguing with people online….mine plays 2 years up and is a Dec Bday

U6 playing u8? 🤣 and you’re here bleating about BY / SY?

Nuts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any buddy else think it’s funny Jurgen Klinsmann who pushed for the age groups to change from SY to BY had an April born son. And now the people pushing from ECNL has an October son.

He did it so the RAE would benefit the kids who would also be the oldest in each age group eligible for the ynt (jan-march). That was the driving reason for the change. It didn’t have the desired impact on the competitiveness of the ynt and really caused problems for trapped kids 8th grade, realignment of new teams for 12th grade, and more difficulty for college coaches in recruiting. Hence talking of changing back to SY.

It absolutely has had the intended result on the YNT. Our YNT pipeline is stronger than it has ever been. And we finally have a pipeline to top professional leagues because of it.

You’re seeking perfection at the cost of progress.

There is a reason MLSN is staying BY, and there is a reason USSF “split the baby” instead of giving rec+ECNL what it wanted.

Don’t be dense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any one year block will advantage some players and disadvantage others. BY advantages January to March birthdays and disadvantages September to December. SY advantages September to December birthdays and disadvantages June to August. Any choice will be arbitrary and will hurt some players and help others. Is this whole debate just driven by which system advantages their particular kids?

My DD is undersized and has an early January birthday, and I can certainly see that she'd have been at a disadvantage if she'd been born two weeks earlier and had to play a different BY. But any line will have arbitrary effects like that.

Shouldn't the question be what is best as an overall system, since any line will have these effects for some player? What is the disinterested case for a change? Not saying that there isn't one, and probably a switch to SY would not impact my DD too much. But the fact that BY is bad for September to December kids so we need to switch just moves the disadvantage to a different group of kids, which isn't that compelling to me. I certainly understand why those parents want a change but why is SY preferable to BY overall? Some kids will always be the youngest in the grouping.

Dead cat argument. Leagues are not moving from Jan-Dec to Sep to Aug to avoid Sept and Q4 being the youngest. Not sure why you think this.

It’s the victim mentality the BY crazies have adopted…the world is against them and their amazing Q1/2 child…because their kid just works so hard.

You honestly have the gall to say this?

Every justification for SY is in essence translated to “therefore my kid is a victim”
My kid was born late so they developed later than kids born Q1/2 - therefore my kid is a victim
My kid will become trapped when their peers move on to next school - therefore my kid is a victim

Now the BY parents may feel this way with the new change. But don’t pretend it’s only on one side.

I’m a SY proponent, but dumb arguments like this water down the legitimate arguments.

Couldn’t you make the same argument for pro BY arguments….

Like at least with SY there are more pros than cons whereas BY is just uh our calendar starts with Jan and my kid is born early in the calendar year…

No…because it was BY, so they couldn’t claim they were being victimized by BY…

This is a stupid attempt at whatabout

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL has not told its clubs anything privately, my good friend is an ECNL director (girls) he has reached out to ECNL admin with questions they don’t respond. Only thing he has been told is that ECNL acknowledged they are changing the groups but would not give out specifics at this time.

This is true. USCS also is crickets. Firsthand experience