Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Yes, a side that starts a war thinks that it has valid reasons for starting a war--yes, this is why wars start--groundbreaking info! Just continue the fight you started and stop complaining about the war you wanted.

DP

You talk tough as the self-appointed rep of Israel here in DCUMland, but your tail would be between your legs if the U.S. ceased to prop you up. Do you not understand that all that stands between your mouth and accountability for those words is the U.S.

Yes, it is clear that all the cries for U.S. to cease support to Israel is so it can fall, for for "the babies!". What is the U.S. does not want Israel to fall?

OK, no need for further conversation with you. Strident people don’t deserve the courtesy of a warning anyway. You seem to have it all figured out.

Enjoy your weekend.

A warning? What is your threat?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Then your side doesn't live in peace either--continually start wars you will be in wars, and the other side will shore up its defenses to protect itself against you, and not give you anything. Rest of the world starts to see a patter of hmm, who is starting a war all of the time then crying "what about our babies!"?

Yes how dare these dirty Arabs not release their land willingly and just go away already? Don’t they know Eretz Israel goes all the way to Jordan?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

Israel has already normalized relations with several of its neighbors, and we just saw Jordan and Saudi Arabia help Israel against the Iranian missile/drone strikes. Meanwhile, nobody seems to want to help the Palestinians because it keeps biting the hand that feeds them, e.g. Black September.

It's the Palestinians, especially the leadership, that need to reform and change course, and unfortunately, it may already be too late.

I love to hear the “Middle East’s only democracy “ brag about its friendship with dictatorships. Great optics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Then your side doesn't live in peace either--continually start wars you will be in wars, and the other side will shore up its defenses to protect itself against you, and not give you anything. Rest of the world starts to see a patter of hmm, who is starting a war all of the time then crying "what about our babies!"?

Yes how dare these dirty Arabs not release their land willingly and just go away already? Don’t they know Eretz Israel goes all the way to Jordan?

Then just fight a war to get land back if you feel this way, but do not be surprised when civilians get mixed up in war, or that one side will do all that it takes to defend itself in war, including securing allies. The other side will not listen to your commands to fall back and mourn your dead after being attacked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Yes, a side that starts a war thinks that it has valid reasons for starting a war--yes, this is why wars start--groundbreaking info! Just continue the fight you started and stop complaining about the war you wanted.

+1 Been this way since the beginning of time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Then your side doesn't live in peace either--continually start wars you will be in wars, and the other side will shore up its defenses to protect itself against you, and not give you anything. Rest of the world starts to see a patter of hmm, who is starting a war all of the time then crying "what about our babies!"?

Yes how dare these dirty Arabs not release their land willingly and just go away already? Don’t they know Eretz Israel goes all the way to Jordan?

Then just fight a war to get land back if you feel this way, but do not be surprised when civilians get mixed up in war, or that one side will do all that it takes to defend itself in war, including securing allies. The other side will not listen to your commands to fall back and mourn your dead after being attacked.

No rules in war?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Then your side doesn't live in peace either--continually start wars you will be in wars, and the other side will shore up its defenses to protect itself against you, and not give you anything. Rest of the world starts to see a patter of hmm, who is starting a war all of the time then crying "what about our babies!"?

Yes how dare these dirty Arabs not release their land willingly and just go away already? Don’t they know Eretz Israel goes all the way to Jordan?

Then just fight a war to get land back if you feel this way, but do not be surprised when civilians get mixed up in war, or that one side will do all that it takes to defend itself in war, including securing allies. The other side will not listen to your commands to fall back and mourn your dead after being attacked.

No rules in war?

If one side feels another side is not playing but some set of rules they can always retreat and not participate or even just surrender if they want killing to stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

Israel has already normalized relations with several of its neighbors, and we just saw Jordan and Saudi Arabia help Israel against the Iranian missile/drone strikes. Meanwhile, nobody seems to want to help the Palestinians because it keeps biting the hand that feeds them, e.g. Black September.

It's the Palestinians, especially the leadership, that need to reform and change course, and unfortunately, it may already be too late.

It’s not the fault of the Palestinians you can’t afford to live in Tel Aviv and therefore have to settle for a cheap house in an illegal settlement.

What's going on in the West Bank is totally illegal, but the settlers will continue to expand into it because they can. Nobody on a state level cares enough to stop them because there's no upside to helping the Palestinians. All it brings is trouble. That's the reality Palestinians have to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

Israel has already normalized relations with several of its neighbors, and we just saw Jordan and Saudi Arabia help Israel against the Iranian missile/drone strikes. Meanwhile, nobody seems to want to help the Palestinians because it keeps biting the hand that feeds them, e.g. Black September.

It's the Palestinians, especially the leadership, that need to reform and change course, and unfortunately, it may already be too late.

I love to hear the “Middle East’s only democracy “ brag about its friendship with dictatorships. Great optics.

I don't think Bibi really cares.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

Israel has already normalized relations with several of its neighbors, and we just saw Jordan and Saudi Arabia help Israel against the Iranian missile/drone strikes. Meanwhile, nobody seems to want to help the Palestinians because it keeps biting the hand that feeds them, e.g. Black September.

It's the Palestinians, especially the leadership, that need to reform and change course, and unfortunately, it may already be too late.

It’s not the fault of the Palestinians you can’t afford to live in Tel Aviv and therefore have to settle for a cheap house in an illegal settlement.

What's going on in the West Bank is totally illegal, but the settlers will continue to expand into it because they can. Nobody on a state level cares enough to stop them because there's no upside to helping the Palestinians. All it brings is trouble. That's the reality Palestinians have to deal with it.

Thanks for confirming there are no rules except power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

Israel has already normalized relations with several of its neighbors, and we just saw Jordan and Saudi Arabia help Israel against the Iranian missile/drone strikes. Meanwhile, nobody seems to want to help the Palestinians because it keeps biting the hand that feeds them, e.g. Black September.

It's the Palestinians, especially the leadership, that need to reform and change course, and unfortunately, it may already be too late.

No the US has paid and continues to pay every Middle Eastern country that has relationships with Israel. Without the US Israel would be alone. Also having relationship with Saudi will solve nothing because the problem is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. This is why the region stands up to Israel.

[Anonymous]

Looks like a lot of the Israeli's agree with Biden

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like a lot of the Israeli's agree with Biden

Just because they want that doesn’t mean we have to do it. They want to overthrow the government they can fight for it too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a lot of the Israeli's agree with Biden

Just because they want that doesn’t mean we have to do it. They want to overthrow the government they can fight for it too.

They are, and I don’t think anyone is asking you to do anything at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Except Israel is not “grabbing” other people’s land in the current conflict. It was Hamas that started the conflict by invading Israel and trying to “grab” land that wasn’t theirs.

So, I’m sure you will acknowledge Israel’s right to defend their sovereignty and conduct their ongoing military operation, based on your past statements.

Or is only Israel held to these noble ideals, not the terrorists who share your radical Islamist worldview?