Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Except Israel is not “grabbing” other people’s land in the current conflict. It was Hamas that started the conflict by invading Israel and trying to “grab” land that wasn’t theirs.

So, I’m sure you will acknowledge Israel’s right to defend their sovereignty and conduct their ongoing military operation, based on your past statements.

Or is only Israel held to these noble ideals, not the terrorists who share your radical Islamist worldview?

I see. So you’d be okay with the West Bankers invading and attacking Israel to get their illegally seized land back? Okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Except Israel is not “grabbing” other people’s land in the current conflict. It was Hamas that started the conflict by invading Israel and trying to “grab” land that wasn’t theirs.

So, I’m sure you will acknowledge Israel’s right to defend their sovereignty and conduct their ongoing military operation, based on your past statements.

Or is only Israel held to these noble ideals, not the terrorists who share your radical Islamist worldview?

DP

You are out of sequence here.

10/7 was the event where Israel experienced “not living in peace” as a consequence of its unlawfully and violently grabbing land over and over again, since 1898 actually.

That pattern of violence led to 10/7, which was part and parcel of Hamas defending the other side. Saying Hana’s started the conflict is like pretending nothing occurred prior - how strange!

[Anonymous]

Today is the second anniversary of Shirin Abu Akle’s assassination by Israel.

Guess Americans aren’t really Americans if they’re Arab Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Literally nobody is arguing that Israeli failures did not contribute to the horrors of 10/7. There will be full investigations into how the Israeli government failed to protect its citizens, some of which have already begun. Bibi will almost certainly lose his position as a result of his tolerance and friendliness to the Palestinian cause in favor of more pro-Israel candidates like Ben-Gvir who will protect Israeli interests and establish strong defensive strategies.

But Israel right now needs to focus on the biggest threat facing them, that being the need to dismantle Hamas and the Islamist extremist organizations (like the UN) who are working towards the complete dissolution of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people. Once Israel has completed these goals, they can focus on their internal issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Except Israel is not “grabbing” other people’s land in the current conflict. It was Hamas that started the conflict by invading Israel and trying to “grab” land that wasn’t theirs.

So, I’m sure you will acknowledge Israel’s right to defend their sovereignty and conduct their ongoing military operation, based on your past statements.

Or is only Israel held to these noble ideals, not the terrorists who share your radical Islamist worldview?

DP

You are out of sequence here.

10/7 was the event where Israel experienced “not living in peace” as a consequence of its unlawfully and violently grabbing land over and over again, since 1898 actually.

That pattern of violence led to 10/7, which was part and parcel of Hamas defending the other side. Saying Hana’s started the conflict is like pretending nothing occurred prior - how strange!

If you have to go back six decades to justify your radical Islamist worldview, you should really consider why you are justifying attempted genocide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Literally nobody is arguing that Israeli failures did not contribute to the horrors of 10/7. There will be full investigations into how the Israeli government failed to protect its citizens, some of which have already begun. Bibi will almost certainly lose his position as a result of his tolerance and friendliness to the Palestinian cause in favor of more pro-Israel candidates like Ben-Gvir who will protect Israeli interests and establish strong defensive strategies.

But Israel right now needs to focus on the biggest threat facing them, that being the need to dismantle Hamas and the Islamist extremist organizations (like the UN) who are working towards the complete dissolution of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people. Once Israel has completed these goals, they can focus on their internal issues.

Because god has literally personally gave you this land? Okay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Literally nobody is arguing that Israeli failures did not contribute to the horrors of 10/7. There will be full investigations into how the Israeli government failed to protect its citizens, some of which have already begun. Bibi will almost certainly lose his position as a result of his tolerance and friendliness to the Palestinian cause in favor of more pro-Israel candidates like Ben-Gvir who will protect Israeli interests and establish strong defensive strategies.

But Israel right now needs to focus on the biggest threat facing them, that being the need to dismantle Hamas and the Islamist extremist organizations (like the UN) who are working towards the complete dissolution of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people. Once Israel has completed these goals, they can focus on their internal issues.

Is Ben Gvir even eligible to serve as PM? Isn’t he a convicted criminal? Will the U.S. abide by that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Except Israel is not “grabbing” other people’s land in the current conflict. It was Hamas that started the conflict by invading Israel and trying to “grab” land that wasn’t theirs.

So, I’m sure you will acknowledge Israel’s right to defend their sovereignty and conduct their ongoing military operation, based on your past statements.

Or is only Israel held to these noble ideals, not the terrorists who share your radical Islamist worldview?

DP

You are out of sequence here.

10/7 was the event where Israel experienced “not living in peace” as a consequence of its unlawfully and violently grabbing land over and over again, since 1898 actually.

That pattern of violence led to 10/7, which was part and parcel of Hamas defending the other side. Saying Hana’s started the conflict is like pretending nothing occurred prior - how strange!

If you have to go back six decades to justify your radical Islamist worldview, you should really consider why you are justifying attempted genocide.

Yes it is such a radical Islamist thing to want your land and human rights back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Literally nobody is arguing that Israeli failures did not contribute to the horrors of 10/7. There will be full investigations into how the Israeli government failed to protect its citizens, some of which have already begun. Bibi will almost certainly lose his position as a result of his tolerance and friendliness to the Palestinian cause in favor of more pro-Israel candidates like Ben-Gvir who will protect Israeli interests and establish strong defensive strategies.

But Israel right now needs to focus on the biggest threat facing them, that being the need to dismantle Hamas and the Islamist extremist organizations (like the UN) who are working towards the complete dissolution of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people. Once Israel has completed these goals, they can focus on their internal issues.

lol you mean crazy violent settler thugs need to take it easy for a few weeks to, you know, like, focus on Hamas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

You feel like you need this to be true but it’s not. Most people—including a lot of Israelis— want the hostages returned home and the war to stop.

This offer has been on the table for months but Netanyahu won’t accept it because he can’t have the war end and dace accountability

Accountability meaning apologize for Israel's mere existence? Yeah who would accept that. If you want the fighting to stop, find another solution. You may not get to humble Israel, but you are willing to sacrifice people for this goal? Well that is a choice. This is what is showing that pro-Palestinians do not really care if the killing stops. They have other goals.

Not even accountability for the country — I just meant for Bibi. He is prolonging the war as a means to cling to power. Otherwise he might have to stand trial as previously scheduled for corruption and there will be an inquiry into how 10/7 was allowed to happen— whether his focus on militarizing the West Bank contributed or whether the army ignored warning signs, etc.

10/7 happened because Hamas attacked.

If you think there were no failures on the Israeli side that contributed to Hamas invading Israel on 10/7 then you must be related to Netanyahu.

Literally nobody is arguing that Israeli failures did not contribute to the horrors of 10/7. There will be full investigations into how the Israeli government failed to protect its citizens, some of which have already begun. Bibi will almost certainly lose his position as a result of his tolerance and friendliness to the Palestinian cause in favor of more pro-Israel candidates like Ben-Gvir who will protect Israeli interests and establish strong defensive strategies.

But Israel right now needs to focus on the biggest threat facing them, that being the need to dismantle Hamas and the Islamist extremist organizations (like the UN) who are working towards the complete dissolution of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people. Once Israel has completed these goals, they can focus on their internal issues.

This is exactly my point— Bibi is making the UN the enemy to distract everyone from his failings. If you think the UN is an Islamist extremist organization that must dismantled then the war will never end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Except Israel is not “grabbing” other people’s land in the current conflict. It was Hamas that started the conflict by invading Israel and trying to “grab” land that wasn’t theirs.

So, I’m sure you will acknowledge Israel’s right to defend their sovereignty and conduct their ongoing military operation, based on your past statements.

Or is only Israel held to these noble ideals, not the terrorists who share your radical Islamist worldview?

DP

You are out of sequence here.

10/7 was the event where Israel experienced “not living in peace” as a consequence of its unlawfully and violently grabbing land over and over again, since 1898 actually.

That pattern of violence led to 10/7, which was part and parcel of Hamas defending the other side. Saying Hana’s started the conflict is like pretending nothing occurred prior - how strange!

If you have to go back six decades to justify your radical Islamist worldview, you should really consider why you are justifying attempted genocide.

There’s not nearly enough time to catalogue the countless Israeli atrocities over the last “six decades”. Suffice it to say, we wouldn’t need to go back far at all - let’s just use the 200+ killed by Israel in the first nine months of 2023 and the nearly 10,000 who were detained without charges at the time (I guess you can think of them as hostages held by Israel).

Then 10/7 in response, and THEN the prime time exhibition of Israel committing genocide of innocent Palestinian men, women, and children in this 21st century holocaust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Then your side doesn't live in peace either--continually start wars you will be in wars, and the other side will shore up its defenses to protect itself against you, and not give you anything. Rest of the world starts to see a patter of hmm, who is starting a war all of the time then crying "what about our babies!"?

I think what you don’t understand is that it’s not “my side”. I see a people who are being treated really badly, against common human morality, by a country that I thought shared like values. The sarcastic “what about the babies” is hard to read. It’s almost like you don’t think there are babies getting killed. Or mothers starving. Or people being maimed and killed. All of that is real. Whether or not you think those folk deserved it - doesn’t change that many of us don’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

The whole I don't want the U.S. backing Israel ruse exist because the thought is that is the U.S. stops supporting Israel, it will be weakened and then able to be overthrown.

Not for me. It’s simply because I think Israel is in the wrong in how they are executing this war with no concern for civilian life. I don’t want US tax dollars to be involved. I would hope Israelis also do not want Israeli tax dollars involved but that is not for me to say. They have to deal with their leadership on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an interesting article in the NYT today that basically said most Israelis feel like it is 10/8 and don’t understand why they aren’t getting more int’l support.

Meanwhile most people/govts in the world dod support Israel on 10/8, but now after 7 months of killing and starvation are done with Israel.

Israel has lost the support of the world and sure some of that might be due to anti-semitism but the large majority of the reason why most people- people like Joe Biden— are not supporting Israel is they they are perpetrating a humanitarian disaster.

The what aboutism on Russia and China is so weak. Russia is an international pariah too. China is perhaps our leading adversary on the int’l stage, not a country we send billions in aid and weapons to every year.

So what do you want Israel to do to ensure that:

-War stops immediately
-Israel remains safe and secure from threats to its safety and current existence

If any of your solutions involve changing the nature of Israel, you have a motive beyond stopping the killings. You want regime change.

Countries that perpetually grab other peoples land don’t get to live in safety. Retreat to 1967 borders, and then talk. Until then, you’re an occupying power, and those don’t get to live in peace.

Then your side doesn't live in peace either--continually start wars you will be in wars, and the other side will shore up its defenses to protect itself against you, and not give you anything. Rest of the world starts to see a patter of hmm, who is starting a war all of the time then crying "what about our babies!"?

I think what you don’t understand is that it’s not “my side”. I see a people who are being treated really badly, against common human morality, by a country that I thought shared like values. The sarcastic “what about the babies” is hard to read. It’s almost like you don’t think there are babies getting killed. Or mothers starving. Or people being maimed and killed. All of that is real. Whether or not you think those folk deserved it - doesn’t change that many of us don’t.

DP

+1

What amplifies what you’re saying is the fact that this individual has repeatedly demonstrated and often stated that Jewish lives have greater value and justify the suffering of non-Jews, to a point well beyond sociopathy.

Rather then reflecting on the vulnerability of the Jewish people last century, and the fact that the compassion of America probably explains why he’s even alive, he mocks the unimaginable suffering of innocent men, women, and children on the bottom of Israel’s boot today.

There’s no humanity and no civility; the only language he understands is vicious brutality. And that’s why it’s so fascinating to see the train coming down the tracks for people like him, while they strut around thinking last century’s setbacks were rock bottom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just want the killing to stop. Not for Israel to disappear.

Not true. There are ways for the killing to stop now, they are not calling for these ways. They prefer to build a evidence for a public relations trial against Israel so eventually people will want to see it destroyed.

DP

Or … based on past behavior, they don’t believe the propagandized claims that Israel would relent if the hostages were all magically released, or Hamas all magically surrendered, etc. You expect others to believe that the IDF would sprint for the exits, the constant drone flyovers would immediately cease, and Israel would literally stop its atrocities if those events were to occur today.

The problem with that breathtakingly ridiculous assertion is that many just don’t believe Israeli propaganda - because they have been shown time and time again in the past that Netanyahu is incapable of operating truthfully or with any integrity whatsoever.

So there’s no way for the Palestinian men, women and children to stop the killing right now. And there’s also no way for Hamas to stop the killing right now.

But at least you dropped your mask for a moment in the post I’m responding to. You’ve accidentally played your “the killings will stop when morale improves” trump card and everyone can see clearly now that you are indifferent to the killings of people, as long as they are not your people. Where I’m from (America), we call that unmitigated evil.

If you think the side you are up against is evil incarnate, you are seeking their anilation. They know you have this opinion of them, so this is why they fight they way to they do.

You misunderstand, as usual.

I’m saying Netanyahu is evil. I’m definitely saying that you are evil.

There are people on both sides seeking or willing to find coexistence. It’s just that there are also evil people on both sides, like Israel’s leadership and Hamas (and sycophants for one side or the other like you) who cannot be counted upon to do the right thing, ever.

The "right thing" is subjective. If you are seeking a change in the status quo in Israel's existence to stop the war, then you have conditions before you accept the killing stopped. I have no sympathy for you then.

Israel’s existence is fine by me, albeit without U.S. backing that emboldens Israel to terrorize its neighbors without recourse. In its current phase, it doesn’t really matter what anyone wants because NO country can persist behaving the way Israel currently behaves. Check the history books on that.

But if Israel can reform and establish normalcy, discontinue provoking its neighbors incessantly, etc., sure, Israel can and should persist. Reform will also be needed with some of Israel’s neighbors, too.

But that’s not a choice, really. It’s an offer based on a ticking clock for Israel that will run out at some point, like it always does with every country.

The whole I don't want the U.S. backing Israel ruse exist because the thought is that is the U.S. stops supporting Israel, it will be weakened and then able to be overthrown.

Not for me. It’s simply because I think Israel is in the wrong in how they are executing this war with no concern for civilian life. I don’t want US tax dollars to be involved. I would hope Israelis also do not want Israeli tax dollars involved but that is not for me to say. They have to deal with their leadership on their own.

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