2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:What does everyone think about the body being found intact? Did the gator get scared off, drop his prey and go? I wonder where the body was found? I can't find any articles that tell the location specifically.

They don't eat humans so he probably dragged him off, realized it wasn't good food, and discarded the body. The boy probably drowned.

Gators do eat humans. Gators eat anything that is made out of meat. Gators like their food rotten. They often kill their prey and then store it under something to rot for awhile before they eat it.

This is true. That advice I was given as a young Florida resident, was to play dead and wait to be stuffed under something, then swim away.

Advice is to yell, make noise, flail, try to scare them into dropping you. Attack his eyes, if you can. Bystanders should join in the yelling, flailing, being scary. People do get bitten by alligators in Florida, but getting killed by them is much less likely.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/10/nation/la-na-nn-alligator-attacks-rare-20120710

There are better sources than a California newspaper. State of Florida for one.

But fight. Gators are lazy. They, like most obese Americans, want a cheap and easy meal. Fighting back takes away the cheap and easy part. They'll go away.

The dad did fight. He tried to get the child away from the alligator. He failed. The alligator went away with the kid in its mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:What does everyone think about the body being found intact? Did the gator get scared off, drop his prey and go? I wonder where the body was found? I can't find any articles that tell the location specifically.

They don't eat humans so he probably dragged him off, realized it wasn't good food, and discarded the body. The boy probably drowned.

Gators do eat humans. Gators eat anything that is made out of meat. Gators like their food rotten. They often kill their prey and then store it under something to rot for awhile before they eat it.

This is true. That advice I was given as a young Florida resident, was to play dead and wait to be stuffed under something, then swim away.

Advice is to yell, make noise, flail, try to scare them into dropping you. Attack his eyes, if you can. Bystanders should join in the yelling, flailing, being scary. People do get bitten by alligators in Florida, but getting killed by them is much less likely.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/10/nation/la-na-nn-alligator-attacks-rare-20120710

There are better sources than a California newspaper. State of Florida for one.

But fight. Gators are lazy. They, like most obese Americans, want a cheap and easy meal. Fighting back takes away the cheap and easy part. They'll go away.

The dad did fight. He tried to get the child away from the alligator. He failed. The alligator went away with the kid in its mouth.

Dad wasn't attacked. The kid was attacked.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney will have to spend millions in public relations to restore its name as the 'safest place on earth.' I, personally, will never think of Disney the same way again.

And as far as some of you blaming the parents, I'll say it for them....kiss my ass.

Nobody ever calles Disney the safest place on earth, what are you smoking?

Try googling. Do people like you ever check anything out before opening your mouth?

Says the person who doesn't know there are gators in Florida. The irony...

For the last time. We all know there are gators in Florida. What we do not expect is that a gator would grab a kid from a mad made lake at Disney World when Disney World encourages families to spend time on the beach at night.

Your comment does nothing to change my position. In fact, it makes you look even more ignorant.

Ok. But the law looks at what the reasonable person understands. As well as the duties a hotel operator had to its customers (including creating an attractive nuisance and its responsibility to adequately warn its customers of dangers. A hotel has higher duties to its customers than a regular person has to a friend visiting. A hotel that has a very high % of people from out of state has a higher duty to warn than a person does when inviting another person from Florida over. This is absolutely not a slam dunk situation for Disney World. It could absolutely be found to have violated its duties to this family and been negligence.

Best post on the thread. For those unfamiliar with the law, this is the bottom line. This is basic application of longstanding well established law.

That was mine! Please note that another poster called me simple minded in this thread!

Lol because they don't want you to spoil their fun of arguing with strangers about it! Levelheadedness is boring.

She wanted to know why I can't think in complex terms! I wanted to tell her that I got the Cali award for excellence in torts. Ha ha.

I'm the one who called you simple-minded. And you now sound desperate for approval. SMH

[Anonymous]

So is the conversation basically...

1) If it says no swimming is it ok to swim? Do they need a reason to say why there is no swimming? Yes or no?

2) Who is at fault .. Parents vs. Disney?

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Pretty sure that Disney will willingly pay a generous settlement. The park will then provide alligator/wildlife PSA's, signage, fencing, etc.

Families will still visit Disney World, but they will be more aware of the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the conversation basically...

1) If it says no swimming is it ok to swim? Do they need a reason to say why there is no swimming? Yes or no?

2) Who is at fault .. Parents vs. Disney?

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3) Sometimes terrible things happen and it's not the parent's fault or Disney's fault.

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Pretty sure that Disney will willingly pay a generous settlement. The park will then provide alligator/wildlife PSA's, signage, fencing, etc.

Families will still visit Disney World, but they will be more aware of the environment.

They'll probably continue to feed the gators, too. Incredibly dangerous, and illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney will have to spend millions in public relations to restore its name as the 'safest place on earth.' I, personally, will never think of Disney the same way again.

And as far as some of you blaming the parents, I'll say it for them....kiss my ass.

Nobody ever calles Disney the safest place on earth, what are you smoking?

Try googling. Do people like you ever check anything out before opening your mouth?

Says the person who doesn't know there are gators in Florida. The irony...

For the last time. We all know there are gators in Florida. What we do not expect is that a gator would grab a kid from a mad made lake at Disney World when Disney World encourages families to spend time on the beach at night.

Your comment does nothing to change my position. In fact, it makes you look even more ignorant.

Ok. But the law looks at what the reasonable person understands. As well as the duties a hotel operator had to its customers (including creating an attractive nuisance and its responsibility to adequately warn its customers of dangers. A hotel has higher duties to its customers than a regular person has to a friend visiting. A hotel that has a very high % of people from out of state has a higher duty to warn than a person does when inviting another person from Florida over. This is absolutely not a slam dunk situation for Disney World. It could absolutely be found to have violated its duties to this family and been negligence.

Best post on the thread. For those unfamiliar with the law, this is the bottom line. This is basic application of longstanding well established law.

That was mine! Please note that another poster called me simple minded in this thread!

Lol because they don't want you to spoil their fun of arguing with strangers about it! Levelheadedness is boring.

She wanted to know why I can't think in complex terms! I wanted to tell her that I got the Cali award for excellence in torts. Ha ha.

I'm the one who called you simple-minded. And you now sound desperate for approval. SMH

Not PP, but are you the person who has been posting constantly throughout the thread about "common sense", calling everyone idiots, and repeatedly talking about how other people can't understand complexity?

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^^^ Like you, I assume that this was one person, or maybe a couple. Probably just some guy in his mom's basement, or maybe the lightly fried tuna troll.

[Anonymous]

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Pretty sure that Disney will willingly pay a generous settlement. The park will then provide alligator/wildlife PSA's, signage, fencing, etc.

Families will still visit Disney World, but they will be more aware of the environment.

They'll probably continue to feed the gators, too. Incredibly dangerous, and illegal.

How does one feed gators exactly? Nobody wants to be anywhere near them. My heart breaks for this family and I do not judge them but I do not think Disney deserves to be sued or deserves to pay a big settlement. I'm not saying that won't happen, just that Disney doesn't deserve it. To me it's no different than someone being struck by lightening. A shocking and rare tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:
Pretty sure that Disney will willingly pay a generous settlement. The park will then provide alligator/wildlife PSA's, signage, fencing, etc.

Families will still visit Disney World, but they will be more aware of the environment.

They'll probably continue to feed the gators, too. Incredibly dangerous, and illegal.

How does one feed gators exactly? Nobody wants to be anywhere near them. My heart breaks for this family and I do not judge them but I do not think Disney deserves to be sued or deserves to pay a big settlement. I'm not saying that won't happen, just that Disney doesn't deserve it. To me it's no different than someone being struck by lightening. A shocking and rare tragedy.

Guests staying at the bungalows at the Polynesian are in little cabins, over the water. They throw food over the railing to the alligators. Guests in other locations walk up to the alligators that are hanging out by some water and throw them food.

People are idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Like you, I assume that this was one person, or maybe a couple. Probably just some guy in his mom's basement, or maybe the lightly fried tuna troll.

I think it's mainly just one person. I call him Grandiose Underemployed Misuse-of-the-Phrase-"Common Sense" Guy. Hopefully someone more clever than me can come up with a better nickname than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Pretty sure that Disney will willingly pay a generous settlement. The park will then provide alligator/wildlife PSA's, signage, fencing, etc.

Families will still visit Disney World, but they will be more aware of the environment.

They'll probably continue to feed the gators, too. Incredibly dangerous, and illegal.

How does one feed gators exactly? Nobody wants to be anywhere near them. My heart breaks for this family and I do not judge them but I do not think Disney deserves to be sued or deserves to pay a big settlement. I'm not saying that won't happen, just that Disney doesn't deserve it. To me it's no different than someone being struck by lightening. A shocking and rare tragedy.

Guests staying at the bungalows at the Polynesian are in little cabins, over the water. They throw food over the railing to the alligators. Guests in other locations walk up to the alligators that are hanging out by some water and throw them food.

People are idiots.

I'm thinking two things:

1) The price of those bungalows is going to drop. Not that plenty of people won't still like to stay there, but they're not going to command the same premium.

2) Those gators are going to need to find another source of food. No more free lunch. Literally.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney will have to spend millions in public relations to restore its name as the 'safest place on earth.' I, personally, will never think of Disney the same way again.

And as far as some of you blaming the parents, I'll say it for them....kiss my ass.

Nobody ever calles Disney the safest place on earth, what are you smoking?

Try googling. Do people like you ever check anything out before opening your mouth?

Says the person who doesn't know there are gators in Florida. The irony...

For the last time. We all know there are gators in Florida. What we do not expect is that a gator would grab a kid from a mad made lake at Disney World when Disney World encourages families to spend time on the beach at night.

Your comment does nothing to change my position. In fact, it makes you look even more ignorant.

Ok. But the law looks at what the reasonable person understands. As well as the duties a hotel operator had to its customers (including creating an attractive nuisance and its responsibility to adequately warn its customers of dangers. A hotel has higher duties to its customers than a regular person has to a friend visiting. A hotel that has a very high % of people from out of state has a higher duty to warn than a person does when inviting another person from Florida over. This is absolutely not a slam dunk situation for Disney World. It could absolutely be found to have violated its duties to this family and been negligence.

Best post on the thread. For those unfamiliar with the law, this is the bottom line. This is basic application of longstanding well established law.

That was mine! Please note that another poster called me simple minded in this thread!

Lol because they don't want you to spoil their fun of arguing with strangers about it! Levelheadedness is boring.

She wanted to know why I can't think in complex terms! I wanted to tell her that I got the Cali award for excellence in torts. Ha ha.

I'm the one who called you simple-minded. And you now sound desperate for approval. SMH

Not PP, but are you the person who has been posting constantly throughout the thread about "common sense", calling everyone idiots, and repeatedly talking about how other people can't understand complexity?

What is it with people like you? When someone disagrees with you, you assume it's one person. Are you the constant "wading is okay" poster?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Like you, I assume that this was one person, or maybe a couple. Probably just some guy in his mom's basement, or maybe the lightly fried tuna troll.

I think it's mainly just one person. I call him Grandiose Underemployed Misuse-of-the-Phrase-"Common Sense" Guy. Hopefully someone more clever than me can come up with a better nickname than that.

More clever than you? Shouldn't be too hard to find.