Stop being a cheater apologist! This is clearly driven by the fact that many students were gaming the admissions by purchasing access to the test answers. I get it, but pretending that's merit is as ridiculous as it is misguided. |
The allegation that student were purchasing access to the test answers has been made several times. Could you please provide some evidence that this occurred? |
DP.
The concern that many people in the community had, including school board members, was that wealthy kids obtained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions, including the Quant-Q, which is an NDA-protected test. Copied from my “roundup thread”. 2. CONCERN ABOUT TJ PREP INDUSTRY There was also public concern about the TJ test prep industry that led, in part, to changes in the admissions process. By reverse engineering the admissions criteria/process, prep companies offered kids an unfair advantage in admissions. In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage. https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/ “ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin asked when presented with the new plan. Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.” 3. QUANT-Q DOESN’T RELEASE MATERIALS The company that offers Quant-Q intentionally does NOT release materials to the public - it’s very different than SAT, ACT, etc. They want to “measure your natural ability”. And test takers agreed to not share any parts of the test. https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/ “The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.” Based on the NDAs, any test prep books or companies that obtain and share example quant-q test questions may have been unethically, or even potentially illegally, produced. https://insightassessment.com/policies/ “Test Taker Interface User Agreement In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.” Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface. Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access. [i]"Remember that the goal of a critical thinking assessment is to measure your natural ability to think critically, so there’s no need for extensive preparation. Just be yourself and approach the assessment with a clear mind." 4. TJ STUDENTS ACKNOWLEDGED UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TH students and others have acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy. https://www.tjtoday.org/29411/features/students-divided-on-proposed-changes-to-admissions-process/ “ “Personally, TJ admissions was not a challenge to navigate. I had a sibling who attended before me. However, a lot of resources needed to navigate admissions cost money. That is an unfair advantage given to more economically advantaged students,” junior Vivi Rao said. ” 5. TJ STUDENTS ADMIT SHARING ADMISSIONS TEST QUESTIONS, INCLUDING QUANT-Q TJ students admitted both on DCUM and on Facebook, anonymously and with real name, that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test. https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/ “ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.” |
This whole post can be boiled down to “someone on Facebook said it happened.” |
Not even that. No one claims to have bought test answers. |
Do you acknowledge that many people in the community, including school board members, were concerned that wealthy kids obtained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions? |
This is really the most helpful post on this forum. It should be pinned. |
This was also shared multiple times earlier in this thread around page 50. |
They can't. I've asked multiple times for a link to a news article or story for a reputable source about this supposed 'cheating scandal.' No one has ever provided anything beyond dcum or facebook anonymous posts as 'evidence.' |
There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.
In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage. https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/ “ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin asked when presented with the new plan. Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.” TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts". https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/ “ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.” TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test. https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/ The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall. https://www.optimaltjprep.com/ ““M. said that the math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test) “E. said that the math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.' We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)” Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests: https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos |
White people are always concerned when their kids start to lose seats to asian kids. If wealth was the driver of who got into TJ, TJ would be predominantly white. There was no unfair advantage with the SHSAT because anyone with $20 and an amazon account could get a Barrons or Princeton review book. FCPS created the problem with their weird notion that ambush testing was somehow a good thing. |
False. Wealthy white families recognize that TJ is a grind that diminishes their kids’ chances to get into a top college. Do you think the WISC and CoGAT are “ambush testing”? Do you think it’s ok for families to prep for those? |
Many people responded to these requests multiple times for pages and pages. Yet you choose to ask for them again and again, no matter how many times it's posted. This is a fool's errand. |
^ someone doesn’t understand what a “news article” or “reputable source” is. |
People responded multiple times to these requests but after the 5th-6th ask got tired of responding, but for anyone who is interested there were multiple links to a local news outlet, a TJ Facebook Group, the student paper and numerous first-hand accounts. This was thoroughly discussed about 50 pages back in this thread. |