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Anonymous wrote:Causal driveby observer with kids in a different DC school and I think it’s hilarious how badly the Maury families will get screwed.

Thanks for nothing.

Ok-just slow down-these are children, mostly under 10-like what kind of fights and outbreaks are you referring to, because that comment is biased, completely unfair to automatically label all Miner students as disruptive and going to cause fights.

Are you so racist that you hallucinated the previous comment mentioned fights and outbreaks?

She doesn’t even go here.

here.

5). At least you admit you aren’t supposed to say the “not in my backyard” comment out loud. But you did. You make all these comments about fights in class and outbursts. Why don’t you just say “I don’t want poor Black kids in my class.” And yes I may have made the race comment but we all know what you meant.

This was the comment i was referring to, for clarification.

Oh yes that seems to be in response to another poster saying she didn’t want her kid going to school with at risk kids who have outbursts in class and start fights (and yea clearly aimed at the Miner kids). Thank you for clarifying. I apologize for my attempt at humor with my “Mean Girls” quote at your expense (we needed some humor tonight but it fell flat).

I love Mean Girls and appreciated your comment wholeheartedly, was important for me to clarify. this too shall pass.

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I think what you are seeing is a societal shift. The pendulum is swinging back from the last few years where UMC white folks were told they needed to apologize for existing. Where people screamed "equity" and white UMC folks hid. What I see is families done apologizing for existing. Families who have seen educational outcomes dramatically improve BECAUSE of their investment and engagement. Maury's metrics tell us it is a good school. That isn't in spite of the UMC folks who are sending their kids there, it is because of it. I think (and hope) the day has passed when UMC families had to apologize for existing, where high test scores were associated with racism.

I demand a seat at the table. I matter. The needs of my kids are important and need to be reflected. Why can't UMC folks say those things just as at risk folks can?

Honey.

This WhatAboutMeIsm, as if the White UMC isn't the most self-victimized and "oppressed" demographic everywhere, is the precise reason the pushback exists.

You think you call the shots in society.
You think that when people disagree with you it's oppression.
You pick up and leave when your temper tantrums don't get you what you want.
You demand to be specialized, even as a majority.

Give me a goddamn break.

Great then there’s no reason to change the school situation since we’re so terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey all. Billy Lynch here, your local fair housing attorney who specializes in housing and school integration. Thought I’d drop some evidenced-based research into this riveting anonymous discussion. TLDR- integrated schools help all students and do not affect white student performance.

http://school-diversity.org/pdf/DiversityResearchBriefNo10.pdf

Integrationists in this thread: I see you and applaud you.

Maury is already an integrated school.

But I do agree this will absolutely close the achievement gap.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey all. Billy Lynch here, your local fair housing attorney who specializes in housing and school integration. Thought I’d drop some evidenced-based research into this riveting anonymous discussion. TLDR- integrated schools help all students and do not affect white student performance.

http://school-diversity.org/pdf/DiversityResearchBriefNo10.pdf

Integrationists in this thread: I see you and applaud you.

Ok Billy: #1. Maury IS integrated
#2. There will never be enough white students in DCPS to integrate it
#3. There is no evidence that this particular change will help at-risk kids
#4. Integration could happen if DCPS adopted a voluntary approached that considered the IB parents preferences, but for some reason this is considered verboten
#5. Where do your kids go to school?

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Maury is not integrated socio-economically, unless by "integrated" you mean "we do have a few poor kids here."

And Maury is 58% white and 20% black in a district that is 17% white and 57% black. Now, I don't think that's automatically a problem -- if we were talking about a neighborhood that was majority white. But we're not. Hill East is majority black. It's just that Maury is a little island of white people who just happen to have their own school. The only other majority white schools on the Hill are SWS and Brent. SWS is an all-city school with all seats awarded via lottery, so there's clearly some self-selection bias going on, but regardless SWS comes in for plenty of criticism for this and an EA preference is in the works for them to address it. And Brent is in a part of Ward 6 that actually is much more overwhelmingly white, so its demographics are less surprising.

So every time someone says integration is impossible, I am confused. LT is a good school and it's 49% white. Payne and Tyler are minority white and they are good schools. Why does Maury's goodness depend on it being majority white with a very small black population?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey all. Billy Lynch here, your local fair housing attorney who specializes in housing and school integration. Thought I’d drop some evidenced-based research into this riveting anonymous discussion. TLDR- integrated schools help all students and do not affect white student performance.

http://school-diversity.org/pdf/DiversityResearchBriefNo10.pdf

Integrationists in this thread: I see you and applaud you.

Ok Billy: #1. Maury IS integrated
#2. There will never be enough white students in DCPS to integrate it
#3. There is no evidence that this particular change will help at-risk kids
#4. Integration could happen if DCPS adopted a voluntary approached that considered the IB parents preferences, but for some reason this is considered verboten
#5. Where do your kids go to school?

1. Ok anon. Maury is not integrated. It’s 60% white and 20% black. The 20002 zip code is 60% black and 30% white. Meanwhile, a school only a few blocks away is 80% black and 16% white. If you control for census tracts of surrounding schools, the disparity is even greater. Strange measure of integrated you are using. Do we even need to discuss the socioeconomic differences? I feel like the privilege in this thread is sufficient.
2. This doesn’t make any sense. Public school integration, where students are drawn from the community, primarily measures the mix of students in relation to its neighborhood. But to your point, the number of black students (62%) vs white students (17%) at dcps actually makes my point and shows Maury to be segregated!
3. I literally put the evidence in my message. Where’s yours anon?
4. Wut? What are those policy solutions? Have seen none here!
5. Are you serious? Show yourself anon. At a local dcps school that reflects the demographics of our community.

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The 20002 zip code is ginormous, FYI.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey all. Billy Lynch here, your local fair housing attorney who specializes in housing and school integration. Thought I’d drop some evidenced-based research into this riveting anonymous discussion. TLDR- integrated schools help all students and do not affect white student performance.

http://school-diversity.org/pdf/DiversityResearchBriefNo10.pdf

Integrationists in this thread: I see you and applaud you.

Bless you, but these people do not care about that. They don't want the yucky poor people diluting their pure, good, rich person school.

We are reading different threads somehow. By far the nastiest comments have been about (presumed) Maury parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey all. Billy Lynch here, your local fair housing attorney who specializes in housing and school integration. Thought I’d drop some evidenced-based research into this riveting anonymous discussion. TLDR- integrated schools help all students and do not affect white student performance.

http://school-diversity.org/pdf/DiversityResearchBriefNo10.pdf

Integrationists in this thread: I see you and applaud you.

Bless you, but these people do not care about that. They don't want the yucky poor people diluting their pure, good, rich person school.

We are reading different threads somehow. By far the nastiest comments have been about (presumed) Maury parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not integrated socio-economically, unless by "integrated" you mean "we do have a few poor kids here."

And Maury is 58% white and 20% black in a district that is 17% white and 57% black. Now, I don't think that's automatically a problem -- if we were talking about a neighborhood that was majority white. But we're not. Hill East is majority black. It's just that Maury is a little island of white people who just happen to have their own school. The only other majority white schools on the Hill are SWS and Brent. SWS is an all-city school with all seats awarded via lottery, so there's clearly some self-selection bias going on, but regardless SWS comes in for plenty of criticism for this and an EA preference is in the works for them to address it. And Brent is in a part of Ward 6 that actually is much more overwhelmingly white, so its demographics are less surprising.

So every time someone says integration is impossible, I am confused. LT is a good school and it's 49% white. Payne and Tyler are minority white and they are good schools. Why does Maury's goodness depend on it being majority white with a very small black population?

No one has said it does. DME is focused on SES integration. All the Maury parents I have seen have made points about the challenges of large cohorts of at-risk kids. No one is making this about race but you.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey all. Billy Lynch here, your local fair housing attorney who specializes in housing and school integration. Thought I’d drop some evidenced-based research into this riveting anonymous discussion. TLDR- integrated schools help all students and do not affect white student performance.

http://school-diversity.org/pdf/DiversityResearchBriefNo10.pdf

Integrationists in this thread: I see you and applaud you.

Bless you, but these people do not care about that. They don't want the yucky poor people diluting their pure, good, rich person school.

We are reading different threads somehow. By far the nastiest comments have been about (presumed) Maury parents.

Saying "wow some of these comments and reactions are very nasty and hurtful to Miner families" is not, in itself, nasty.

I mean, in the last few pages, we had people pointing out that the comment from a Maury parent that combining with Miner would "dilute" Maury's population was a seriously offensive statement, and it's apparent from some of the responses that people aren't even sure why. Like some of the Maury parents on here actually DEFENDED language that sounds like a quote from a white person in Alabama in 1956. And now I'm sure you'll tell me that saying that is nasty. But it's not! Talking about how how all the poor black kids from Miner will "dilute" your school if they merge is nasty. I cannot believe people don't see this.

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Let’s have a meet up tomorrow morning at Lincoln Park and everyone can guess who wrote what a*$hole comments!

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At the end of the day some of us are trying to engage with human behavior as it actually is and make our predictions data-based and realistic. Are you?

Absolutely and data shows that kids who go to a more diverse school (whether racially, socioeconomically, or academically) can benefit ALL the students.

No it does not. Busing (which is basically what this is) is pretty much universally accepted to be a failure by all sides. In contrast, creating diversity through actual community participation - ie creating schools where IB families chose to go - can result in positive impacts. But at the end of the day there are not enough rich white kids to be the medicine to fix DCPS - and that it what fundamentally makes this a PR exercise and not a legitimate attempt for DCPS to solve its problems.

This is not "basically" busing. If they cluster the schools, no one will be bussed. They will go to their IB, neighborhood school unless they choose to lottery out or go private.

Bussing is when you take kids in one neighborhood and put them on an actual bus to send them to a school in another neighborhood. It has nothing to do with this situation at all.

Combining schools like this to redistribute demographics is just busing on a small scale. Obviously.

Busing as a concept requires that the district physically transport kids to another school. If you can walk to the school in question, it's not busing.

When opponents to the cluster plan say stuff like "this is basically busing" in outrage, it becomes harder to argue that there is not a racial component to their objections. Read a freaking book about desegregation.

I mean, this is a plan intended to move kids around to change the racial demographics of the school. It’s the same thing. There’s absolutely NOTHING racist in questioning whether this helps black kids. What does seem oddly racist is the DME’s belief that a majority black school cannot be a good school, and that the only way for it to be “improved” is to add white kids. PS Maury is desegregated.

Well, that was literally the theory in Brown v. Board—not because a majority black school can’t be great, but because those schools are chronically under-resourced, and whites kids and their parents bring resources (and demands for resources that get responses) with them. So take it up with Thurgood Marshall, I guess. And that’s what is happening at Miner, by the way. There are tons of wonderful, dedicated parents there, but the segregation also means it is a higher proportion of parents who don’t have things like regular work hours or any extra help, or paid leave, so it’s just harder to keep tabs on the school and even do things like volunteer and lobby for changes. It’s not just about the money the PTA can bring, it’s a critical mass of watchful and involved parents who—busy as they may be—have the privilege and flexibility to participate in the school.

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Well, that was literally the theory in Brown v. Board—not because a majority black school can’t be great, but because those schools are chronically under-resourced, and whites kids and their parents bring resources (and demands for resources that get responses) with them. So take it up with Thurgood Marshall, I guess. And that’s what is happening at Miner, by the way. There are tons of wonderful, dedicated parents there, but the segregation also means it is a higher proportion of parents who don’t have things like regular work hours or any extra help, or paid leave, so it’s just harder to keep tabs on the school and even do things like volunteer and lobby for changes. It’s not just about the money the PTA can bring, it’s a critical mass of watchful and involved parents who—busy as they may be—have the privilege and flexibility to participate in the school.


Yes! Yes! Yes! It seems that there are posters too far removed to understand the place of privilege they are coming from.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a parent in the Hill, not at either of these schools, and wow is this thread confirming all my worst suspicions about what some of you really think. We are MC, rent, and lotteried into a decent elementary. But I've always suspected many of you think that your ability to afford a million dollar row home or ditch for private at middle school makes you better, more worthy people. And the nastiness and rudeness of these comments! True colors, shining through.

I will remember this thread the next time people are saying all the progressive partly line things about public education. Now I know what some of you really think. We're not all in this together, are we?

For as long as the lottery has existed, no one has ever been in this together. Look at yourself. Why did you lottery into a "decent elementary"? Was your IB not decent? Why didn't you stay in it with your neighbors to make it better?