Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

This.

You guys need a dictionary. You are misusing words.

[Anonymous]

Israel is on a collision course with destiny, but it’s not the destiny that weirdo evangelicals here in the U.S. imagine and it’s definitely not the destiny that weirdo “chosen people” fairytale peddlers imagine, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a huge supporter of Israel, but the video I just watched on the front page of The New York Times showing protesters waving Israeli flags blocking aid trucks to Gaza sickened me. Literally.
I feel torn to pieces now. I cannot support a nation whose citizens feel it's OK to starve tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian citizens because a crazy bunch of Palestinian terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis!! The Israelis don't want to give the Palestinians FOOD!!
Stop ALL arms shipments to Israel!!! NOW. NO MORE ARMS FOR ISRAEL UNTIL ISRAEL STOPS STARVING PALESTINIANS!!!
This is all I can take, and I love Israel and will support it forever, but I cannot support what its government and some of its citizens are doing to poor Palestinian civilians who had nothing to do with the massacre on Oct. 7. This is shameful. The US can have no part in this.

The food would go to Hamas. World Food Kitchen had Hamas soldiers on their convoys.
Israel. UN, US are providing aid to Israel's enemy in a war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a huge supporter of Israel, but the video I just watched on the front page of The New York Times showing protesters waving Israeli flags blocking aid trucks to Gaza sickened me. Literally.
I feel torn to pieces now. I cannot support a nation whose citizens feel it's OK to starve tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian citizens because a crazy bunch of Palestinian terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis!! The Israelis don't want to give the Palestinians FOOD!!
Stop ALL arms shipments to Israel!!! NOW. NO MORE ARMS FOR ISRAEL UNTIL ISRAEL STOPS STARVING PALESTINIANS!!!
This is all I can take, and I love Israel and will support it forever, but I cannot support what its government and some of its citizens are doing to poor Palestinian civilians who had nothing to do with the massacre on Oct. 7. This is shameful. The US can have no part in this.

The food would go to Hamas. World Food Kitchen had Hamas soldiers on their convoys.
Israel. UN, US are providing aid to Israel's enemy in a war.

Shame on you for denying food, so you all are running a concentration camp and the method is starvation. Wow! Just wow!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a huge supporter of Israel, but the video I just watched on the front page of The New York Times showing protesters waving Israeli flags blocking aid trucks to Gaza sickened me. Literally.
I feel torn to pieces now. I cannot support a nation whose citizens feel it's OK to starve tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian citizens because a crazy bunch of Palestinian terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis!! The Israelis don't want to give the Palestinians FOOD!!
Stop ALL arms shipments to Israel!!! NOW. NO MORE ARMS FOR ISRAEL UNTIL ISRAEL STOPS STARVING PALESTINIANS!!!
This is all I can take, and I love Israel and will support it forever, but I cannot support what its government and some of its citizens are doing to poor Palestinian civilians who had nothing to do with the massacre on Oct. 7. This is shameful. The US can have no part in this.

Nice cosplay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now, based on the most recent posts here, the pro-Israel argument is that the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank (none of whom have a vote or a say in Israeli elections) should have done whatever they could have done (which was nothing since, once again, they lack any control over Israeli elections) to bide their time until a less evil (albeit still evil) Israeli leadership emerged to offer them maybe 14 - 17% of the land that was ruthlessly, violently stolen from them. A state without true sovereignty, as Israel would still control their borders, deny them the right of a military to protect themselves, etc.

Yeah, it’s totally difficult to understand why terrorism is the tactic of choice with so many other realistic options out there for the Palestinians, and with the Israeli side operating in good faith every step of the way.

/s

Sure, it's understandable, but the terrorism helped discredit the Israeli left and put the right in charge. So instead of dealing with a sympathetic Labor party you're dealing with an uncaring Likud party. Actions do have consequences.

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No one has to be a terrorist. If a culture believes that, it is deficient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a huge supporter of Israel, but the video I just watched on the front page of The New York Times showing protesters waving Israeli flags blocking aid trucks to Gaza sickened me. Literally.
I feel torn to pieces now. I cannot support a nation whose citizens feel it's OK to starve tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian citizens because a crazy bunch of Palestinian terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis!! The Israelis don't want to give the Palestinians FOOD!!
Stop ALL arms shipments to Israel!!! NOW. NO MORE ARMS FOR ISRAEL UNTIL ISRAEL STOPS STARVING PALESTINIANS!!!
This is all I can take, and I love Israel and will support it forever, but I cannot support what its government and some of its citizens are doing to poor Palestinian civilians who had nothing to do with the massacre on Oct. 7. This is shameful. The US can have no part in this.

The food would go to Hamas. World Food Kitchen had Hamas soldiers on their convoys.
Israel. UN, US are providing aid to Israel's enemy in a war.

Yes so glad others are seeing this! Israel does not control Gaza. The IDF has to fight to retake area that were reported captured. Hamas operates freely. Hamas is stronger, has more troops and is better armed now vs before the invasion. What a disaster. How incompetent is the IDF? First Oct7 and now a failed invasion of Gaza.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a huge supporter of Israel, but the video I just watched on the front page of The New York Times showing protesters waving Israeli flags blocking aid trucks to Gaza sickened me. Literally.
I feel torn to pieces now. I cannot support a nation whose citizens feel it's OK to starve tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian citizens because a crazy bunch of Palestinian terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis!! The Israelis don't want to give the Palestinians FOOD!!
Stop ALL arms shipments to Israel!!! NOW. NO MORE ARMS FOR ISRAEL UNTIL ISRAEL STOPS STARVING PALESTINIANS!!!
This is all I can take, and I love Israel and will support it forever, but I cannot support what its government and some of its citizens are doing to poor Palestinian civilians who had nothing to do with the massacre on Oct. 7. This is shameful. The US can have no part in this.

The food would go to Hamas. World Food Kitchen had Hamas soldiers on their convoys.
Israel. UN, US are providing aid to Israel's enemy in a war.

Yes so glad others are seeing this! Israel does not control Gaza. The IDF has to fight to retake area that were reported captured. Hamas operates freely. Hamas is stronger, has more troops and is better armed now vs before the invasion. What a disaster. How incompetent is the IDF? First Oct7 and now a failed invasion of Gaza.

It turns out, invading a region is hard. Blowing stuff up, as both Hamas and IDF know, is easy. Invading, controlling, that's hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a huge supporter of Israel, but the video I just watched on the front page of The New York Times showing protesters waving Israeli flags blocking aid trucks to Gaza sickened me. Literally.
I feel torn to pieces now. I cannot support a nation whose citizens feel it's OK to starve tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian citizens because a crazy bunch of Palestinian terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis!! The Israelis don't want to give the Palestinians FOOD!!
Stop ALL arms shipments to Israel!!! NOW. NO MORE ARMS FOR ISRAEL UNTIL ISRAEL STOPS STARVING PALESTINIANS!!!
This is all I can take, and I love Israel and will support it forever, but I cannot support what its government and some of its citizens are doing to poor Palestinian civilians who had nothing to do with the massacre on Oct. 7. This is shameful. The US can have no part in this.

The food would go to Hamas. World Food Kitchen had Hamas soldiers on their convoys.
Israel. UN, US are providing aid to Israel's enemy in a war.

Why didn’t Israel make those deranged claims?

[Anonymous]

New article on CNN detailing accounts from three Israeli whistleblowers on the inhumane treatment of Palestinian prisoners.

They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot.

Palestinian detainees from Gaza are placed under extreme physical restraint, and a field hospital where wounded detainees are strapped to their beds, wearing diapers and fed through straws.

“They stripped them down of anything that resembles human beings,” said one whistleblower, who worked as a medic at the facility’s field hospital.

“(The beatings) were not done to gather intelligence. They were done out of revenge,” said another whistleblower. “It was punishment for what they (the Palestinians) did on October 7 and punishment for behavior in the camp.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New article on CNN detailing accounts from three Israeli whistleblowers on the inhumane treatment of Palestinian prisoners.

They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot.

Palestinian detainees from Gaza are placed under extreme physical restraint, and a field hospital where wounded detainees are strapped to their beds, wearing diapers and fed through straws.

“They stripped them down of anything that resembles human beings,” said one whistleblower, who worked as a medic at the facility’s field hospital.

“(The beatings) were not done to gather intelligence. They were done out of revenge,” said another whistleblower. “It was punishment for what they (the Palestinians) did on October 7 and punishment for behavior in the camp.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

OMG. I am so hoping this turns out not to be true. That article is absolutely sickening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, the Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place. Lots of people denounce what’s going on in the West Bank. Unfortunately, few people are going to see terrorism as the answer.

In fact, terrorism heavily contributed to how they got here. A major reason the Labor party fell out of power is due to the second intifada. The Labor party would have stifled these West Bank encroachments. The second intifada shifted Israel to the right, and Likud doesn’t care.

The west bank encroachments were illegal according to international law. So basically you are supporting a violation of international law.


Imagine how different our world would be right now if the hard right in Israel hadn't assassinated Rabin.

I'm not supporting the West Bank encroachment, but terrorism isn't the answer. The Palestinians needed to find a way to get the Israel left back in power. Fighting just made Israel shift further to right.

Probably, the best solution was to peacefully protest to garner attention and just endure the encroachment and the crackdowns. Then hope a dove eventually comes to power in Israel and try to work with him. Easier said then done, I know, but it's a more realistic path to peace than 10/7.

What makes Israel's actions again Gaza any different than terrorism? They’ve killed more people. Dismembered many more. Killed way more kids. One can say they were defending themselves but that exact what Hamas explains 10/7.

I agree peaceful protest is a better way but I think both sides need to do that.

Israel is a country and the IDF is their official army. They are not a terrorist group, by definition.

Does that mean that the IRG is not a terrorist group, by definition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Genocide Joe admitting the bombs he supplied were used to kill civilians? I guess he thinks enough kids have been murdered now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, the Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place. Lots of people denounce what’s going on in the West Bank. Unfortunately, few people are going to see terrorism as the answer.

In fact, terrorism heavily contributed to how they got here. A major reason the Labor party fell out of power is due to the second intifada. The Labor party would have stifled these West Bank encroachments. The second intifada shifted Israel to the right, and Likud doesn’t care.

The west bank encroachments were illegal according to international law. So basically you are supporting a violation of international law.


Imagine how different our world would be right now if the hard right in Israel hadn't assassinated Rabin.

I'm not supporting the West Bank encroachment, but terrorism isn't the answer. The Palestinians needed to find a way to get the Israel left back in power. Fighting just made Israel shift further to right.

Probably, the best solution was to peacefully protest to garner attention and just endure the encroachment and the crackdowns. Then hope a dove eventually comes to power in Israel and try to work with him. Easier said then done, I know, but it's a more realistic path to peace than 10/7.

What makes Israel's actions again Gaza any different than terrorism? They’ve killed more people. Dismembered many more. Killed way more kids. One can say they were defending themselves but that exact what Hamas explains 10/7.

I agree peaceful protest is a better way but I think both sides need to do that.

Israel is a country and the IDF is their official army. They are not a terrorist group, by definition.

Does that mean that the IRG is not a terrorist group, by definition?

Yes, of course. It's absurd to say they are a terrorist group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New article on CNN detailing accounts from three Israeli whistleblowers on the inhumane treatment of Palestinian prisoners.

They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot.

Palestinian detainees from Gaza are placed under extreme physical restraint, and a field hospital where wounded detainees are strapped to their beds, wearing diapers and fed through straws.

“They stripped them down of anything that resembles human beings,” said one whistleblower, who worked as a medic at the facility’s field hospital.

“(The beatings) were not done to gather intelligence. They were done out of revenge,” said another whistleblower. “It was punishment for what they (the Palestinians) did on October 7 and punishment for behavior in the camp.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

This is extremely disturbing. We cannot consider Israel to be "an ally" when it behaves like a banana republic.